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Can anyone help me figure out my flock's mutations?

Winnie (male) I believe is a normal blue (sky blue?) Ivy is the most classic looking one. I think she may be Opaline. She also has little smudges of olive mixed in with the classic green on her chest. Phoebe has the clear spot on her head (dominant pied) and her eyes are still black...I expected them to gain an iris by now (isn't there one mutation that retains the black eyes?) and Bertie is the mostly yellow one. Is he a greywing? He is yellow all over except his tail has a greenish cast to it.

I keep trying to figure them out but would like to hear what others think!

Here they are:

Winnie


Ivy


Bertie, Phoebe, Ivy (L to R)


Phoebe and Bertie


Phoebe, Ivy, Winnie and Bertie (L to R) This picture is the best example of Winnie's true color.


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Looks like some blue.... green... and maybe some yellow? :p Just kidding. COuldn't resist!~

I'll take a guess and say Winnie is a skyblue dominate pied?
Bertie might be an olive greywing...? *hides because of the probablity of wrongness is high!*

ATV, Nev, and a few others will be sure to know.
 

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Winnie is a sky blue male

Ivy is an opaline olive female

Bertie is a greywing light green male

Phoebe is a cinnamon recessive pied male. Because of his mutation he has a pink cere and dark eyes with no iris rings. He has a lot more marking on his wings than most recessive pieds but his flight feathers are not absolutely clear like a dominant or clearflight pieds' would be.
 

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Winnie is a sky blue male

Ivy is an opaline olive female

Bertie is a greywing light green male

Phoebe is a cinnamon recessive pied male. Because of his mutation he has a pink cere and dark eyes with no iris rings. He has a lot more marking on his wings than most recessive pieds but his flight feathers are not absolutely clear like a dominant or clearflight pieds' would be.
To me Phoebe is a Sky blue cinnamon, the cinnamon causing his blue to be lighter than normal sky blues His cere is blue and looks to be only about 5 or 6 months old

If he was any type of pied recessive or dominate, he woudln't have full body color would he?

But the rest is exactly what I was going to say :) Bertie matches my Belle to a T except Belle is Female
 

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Thanks Nev and Atvchick! You both seemed confidant that Pheobe is male. Is this 100% sure? If so I shall have to get used to calling him Phoebus! (I guess I'll use 'his' and 'him' for now!) His cere is the hardest color to describe...I will try.

Honestly the cere looked more pinky brown before...so I assumed female - but now I would describe it as mottled - pale greeny/white/aqua around the nares and purpley/pink on the sides and center. It is not that true pink though, its got a brown tinge, but not brown like an obvious female.

He has the white patch on the back of her (or his?) head. I thought this meant 'dominant'? :S
 

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You both seemed confidant that Pheobe is male. Is this 100% sure? If so I shall have to get used to calling him Phoebus! (I guess I'll use 'his' and 'him' for now!) His cere is the hardest color to describe...I will try.

Honestly the cere looked more pinky brown before...so I assumed female - but now I would describe it as mottled - pale greeny/white/aqua around the nares and purpley/pink on the sides and center. It is not that true pink though, its got a brown tinge, but not brown like an obvious female.
How old is phoebe? It would be good to see a better picture of his cere.
He has the white patch on the back of her (or his?) head. I thought this meant 'dominant'? :S
All pieds have a clear patch on the back of their heads. A dominant pied would also have clear flight feathers and a clear area across it's front. Phoebe's flight feathers are marked which means he can't be a dominant pied

If he was any type of pied recessive or dominate, he woudln't have full body color would he?
He is both cinnamon and pied so the body colour is diluted like any cinnamon
 

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I'm not really sure of his age, but we got him in August from the pet shop and he looks the same now as he did then. I looked at his eyes very closely and there IS an iris, but it is very dark unlike the other birds. I don't know if the iris was there when we got him but they said he was very young...so probably not. No extra bars on the head, but I guess a recessive pied may not have them even at a young age?

Here are some close up cere photos in natural light. I am now leaning towards agreeing that Phoebe is a male because of his singing and warbling (like the other boys)...but it would be nice to feel sure once and for all! Does a female ever do this? I might have to get used to calling him Phoeb! I'm not sure I could adjust to thinking of Phoebe as a boy and then finding out later hes a she again...haha.

Thanks! Here are the pictures:





 

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Looks like a female to me

if it was male & recessive pied the cere should look like this

http://www.***************/i_cockcere2.jpg
 

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Thanks everyone...Phoebe's cere is sort of mottled...are the pictures good enough? I tried to take them in natural lighting so as to not influence the true colors. Do females ever chatter in the way males do?
 

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I couldn't be definate about Phoebe's sex. The cere looks female in the first picture and male in the others. If the cere doesn't turn brown in the next few weeks then I think you have a male. Most male recessive pied's ceres are not as pink as the one in ATV's picture
 
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