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If you all like to guess what a bird is here is a good one for you.

In my avatar is a pic of a variety I used to breed about ten years ago and have just scourced some stock to get back into them again. As the pic is a bit small and not the best one I have I have posted another related bird here.

 

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Hmmm that is a very interesting bird! :)

It doesn't have the cheek patches of a normal, they are blue like of like a greys would be almost. The coloring looks a bit diluted too? The bird in your avatar looks more cinnamon in color on the wings, but with the blue cheek patches too.

I honestly have no idea! I know you mentioned you bred some rare mutations I have never seen in person myself, which one is this? I am very curious :D
 

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I to was going to say Brown wing

but the markings in the avatar picture is not darker than a cinnamon like it says a brown wing is, and the picture in the thread looks like a normal(marking wise as in they look black not brown or Cinnamon )
 

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Nobody else gonna have a go?

It is a Darkwing Dilute Light Green. The marking are a very dark brownish grey if you can image that.
 

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Nobody else gonna have a go?

It is a Darkwing Dilute Light Green. The marking are a very dark brownish grey if you can image that.
All I can imagine is that if I saw a budgie with very dark brownish grey markings, I would be confused as to whether it was a greywing or a cinnamon. (And I guess I would be wrong on both counts, lol.)

But there must be other defining features to look for, right?
 

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All I can imagine is that if I saw a budgie with very dark brownish grey markings, I would be confused as to whether it was a greywing or a cinnamon. (And I guess I would be wrong on both counts, lol.)

But there must be other defining features to look for, right?
First of all the Darkwing is not a full bird mutation it is a factor like Violet, Dark etc. It's effect is on the markings and is best seen on Dilutes. Here is Australia they have been around since the fifies but never recognised for what they were until fairly recently. They went by the name of Australian Clearbodies for a time and were included in the Black Eyed Self-Coloured standard for many years under the terms "Greywing Yellow" and "Greywing White" which only led to the incorrect useage of these terms and thus causing the majority of confusion about today.

Tha DW factor is a marking allele and is only seen on birds with markings below that of a Normal. It is a dominant allele and as such can be had in single and double factor form. On a Normal bird the DW factor will not be seen but will be "masked" so to speak.

The key to identification is that the bird in the pic is a Dilute and all Dilute attributes are evident, the DW allele has only changed the markings. They have been enhanced by the DW allele. A Cinnamon version is similar but with reduced body colour and more Cinnamon markings.
 

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Hi RIP
Can you post a picture of a brownwing and a dusk?
Unfortunately at this time Nev I can't. The two birds suspected as Dusk are still yet to be proven and I am on the waiting list to get confirmed individuals.

The Brownwing birds I had years go may have been the Faded variety but as the birds I obtained as Brownwings were all gray factored birds I was unable to gauge the level of body colour. I had to breed away from the grey factor which finally I did, producing a sky hen and it is at this point that the difference became evident. At the time I also had Faded but never took pics of them and the next step was to pair this hen with a Faded **** but I gave up the hobby and all the birds were dispersed never to be seen again.

I am trying to scource these birds again and in a couple of weeks I will again have Cinnamon Darkwings, Saddlebacks and a Faded hen. I have to wait for the Dusk for at least 12 months. The ?Brownwing, well I will contact the breeder I got the original stock but I don't hold much hope she still has them and there was a fertility and libio issue.
 

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Do darkwings or brown wings develop an iris ring?
Yes both do. The Brownwing however has a red eye on hatching as do Fadeds. Can't remember off hand which but one is not as visible as an adult.
 

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I love the look of this budgie! I am terrible at guessing budgie types, but he almost looks like a little hawk or something, lol, so cute!
 
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