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Hi everyone :wave:

I have been trying to educate myself with bettering my budgies diet. I plan on changing them to a pellet based diet with added seed, and fresh produce. Right now they have predominantly seed and fresh produce.

I want to introduce a supplement into their diet, a powder or liquid. I would love to hear from you, what you give and why and how also. Also, how long have you been giving it to them and did you see an improvement over time?

Thanks guys :thumbup:

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It can take several weeks for budgies to decide to try a new food.
Fruit is high in sugar content so vegetables are actually healthier for your budgies with fruits given only occasionally (once or twice a week)

http://talkbudgies.com/articles-diet-nutrition/315033-healthy-diet-your-budgie.html

http://talkbudgies.com/articles-diet-nutrition/309849-quality-seed-mix.html

http://talkbudgies.com/articles-die...ttlebones-mineral-blocks-manu-clay-roses.html

Please take the time to read the Budgie Articles and the Stickies posted at the top of each section of the forum.
Most basic questions have been answered there. :)

You will find many different tips with regard to presenting vegetables and encouraging your budgies to try new foods in the Diet and Nutrition section of the forum.
The first vegetable which my budgies that had not been weaned to vegetables tried (and loved) was sweet corn kernels sprinkled with a teeny bit of garlic powder (NOT salt).

Budgies seem to love "spicy" tastes.
They also adored fresh basil, cilantro, chickweed, zucchini and red pepper. ;)

Using Apple Cider Vinegar (with the mother) as a natural pro-biotic is very beneficial to your budgies:

http://talkbudgies.com/articles-holistic-natural-remedies/103936-apple-cider-vinegar.html

When I introduced pellets to my budgie, my Avian Vet recommended using Harrison's High Potency Mash and sprinkling it on the budgie's seed mix every day. This way, when the budgie hulls the seed it tastes the pellet mash and ingests bits of it as well. This helps the budgie identify the taste as a food source.

Many members seem to find the easiest pellets to use for introducing pellets to their budgies to be the CANARY sized Zupreem fruity pellets. Most budgies like the taste and the "Canary" sized pellets are tiny enough for them to easily eat them. Once they've become accustomed to the Fruity Pellets, introducing the smallest "natural" pellets is then an easy step.

Other than when I was using the Harrison's mash, I've never mixed my birds' pellets and seed together. My birds have three separate dishes each with a different brand/flavor of pellets available to them 24/7. Their seed is rationed to approximately 2 teaspoons of seed per budgie each day. I give them seed first thing in the morning right after putting clean newspapers on the bottom grate of the cages. I sprinkle their morning ration on the paper so they can forage for the seeds. I then do the same thing in the evenings (after replacing the soiled newspaper with clean) and again allow them to forage for their seed.

All of my birds have the option to eat the available pellets whenever they like throughout the day and they all enjoy them!

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With a healthy diet and using Apple Cider Vinegar, you should not need any vitamins or supplements (for non-breeding budgies) other than Vitamin D3 which is used for birds who get limited direct sunlight.

Lady Gouldian Finch .com - Soluvite D

When my birds are particularly stressed (e.g. molting) I will sometimes add Avi-Bios probiotic to their egg food.

https://www.avitec.com/AviBios-Lactobacillus-and-Probiotics-p/avb8.htm
 

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Thanks for this Deborah, I have definitely been reading lots of articles here and adding them to my favourites.

With giving your budgies pellets, in the beginning from sprinkling over their seed to now it being a part of their base diet, how long did it take for you to do that out of curiosity?
Also, I was wondering I edited my signature to fit the requirements but it doesn't seem to be showing? Also, if youre giving the birds a vitamin D supplement you should also give calcium (just like with us) to help absorb it.

Thanks Deborah
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My budgies get their calcium from their cuttlebones as needed.
The Vitamin D3 helps the body to absorb calcium, not the other way around. ;)
 

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I went to my local vet for Ollie as his droppings were watery (i've been giving him antibiotics and his droppings are looking more normal now :))

I wanted to share: the vet I saw said that pellets aren't a necessary to a budgie's diet, she said she's never heard of this before. I didn't feel very informed regarding the antibiotics, especially because of her information being contradictive of what I have read up online regarding budgie's health and also being mindful of the views from the members of this website! Also, she was not an avian vet- I don't have an avian vet in the city that i'm living in currently.

Anyway, I just wanted to share that because of all that i've read I will be slowly putting my babies onto a mixed diet of pellets and seed, and ofcourse fresh produce. The goal would be for them to have less seed and mostly pellets and veggies with fruit.

Over here in Australia there seems to be conflicting views on a budgie's diet, I hadn't even heard of budgies needing pellets till I began reading on this website again recently! When the vet asked me where I had heard this from, I told her "I'm on an informative budgie forum" and it looked like she was humoured. Regardless, I wanted to share the following links from Australian Avian Vets regarding pellets, because they believe pellets should make up part of our budgies diet along with the majority of views like on this site. (It might be good for other Aussies to read it too, I don't know.)

Just scroll down to nutrition
Cage and aviary birds info sheets
 

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Deborah, I am so glad I was looking through my threads again because reading this post of yours again is so great! I've been not sure about what pellets to feed my budgies, I was going to go with Roudybush because so many people here are happy with it, but it's not as practical for me as whenever I'd buy it i'd have to pay for shipping.. when there's a vetafarm store right here in my town & a pet shop that sells vetafarm products, too.

I started sprinkling the finch & budgie crumble over their seed to get them to taste it (like you suggested) but I wasn't happy with it because it was essentially lots of powder to the "crumble". So I was given another sample by vetafarm of their maintenance diet pellets which I have been mixing in with their seed each day sort of so they taste it. (For me the pellets smell so bad in comparison to the seed!!- even the powder crumble.)

I think this method is practically useless right now me just mixing in a bit of the pellets with their seed each day. I did what vetafarm suggested in a video of introducing pellets into your birds diet by using warm water to kind of mush the pellets up and mixing the seed into it, but the pellets just didn't seem to mush. And it seemed very gross from how much warm water I used to try and push them, then drained. I also had the thought about bacteria growing from the moisture.

Someone from vetafarm told me their budgie likes to eat the mini nutriblend flavoured and multicoloured pellets which I just felt was weird and honestly I was sceptical of this because I thought it was unnatural for budgies to just be eating fruity flavoured food when it's so standard that they eat seed. I thought they aren't like the fruity lorikeets. But after hearing you also saying that some members here also do that, I'm happy to hear it and am inclined to try this myself.

I do feel a little bit lost on how to do this though. Should I buy a small packet of both the maintenance diet pellets and nutriblend flavoured/coloured pellets then mix those two together when starting to give it to them? should I stick with one or the other? and finally, how do I even introduce it to them... just a lot to think about and learn. I don't even think they eat the pellets when I mix it in with their seed. I'll have to read more about converting them over but it all just seems so much easier said that done lol.

Sorry for the long post!

Nutriblend pellets
http://vetafarm.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Nutriblend-Mini-350g-300x300.jpg

Finch & Budgie crumbles
Home - Vetafarm

Maintenance diet pellets
Home - Vetafarm



It can take several weeks for budgies to decide to try a new food.
Fruit is high in sugar content so vegetables are actually healthier for your budgies with fruits given only occasionally (once or twice a week)

http://talkbudgies.com/articles-diet-nutrition/315033-healthy-diet-your-budgie.html

http://talkbudgies.com/articles-diet-nutrition/309849-quality-seed-mix.html

http://talkbudgies.com/articles-die...ttlebones-mineral-blocks-manu-clay-roses.html

Please take the time to read the Budgie Articles and the Stickies posted at the top of each section of the forum.
Most basic questions have been answered there. :)

You will find many different tips with regard to presenting vegetables and encouraging your budgies to try new foods in the Diet and Nutrition section of the forum.
The first vegetable which my budgies that had not been weaned to vegetables tried (and loved) was sweet corn kernels sprinkled with a teeny bit of garlic powder (NOT salt).

Budgies seem to love "spicy" tastes.
They also adored fresh basil, cilantro, chickweed, zucchini and red pepper. ;)

Using Apple Cider Vinegar (with the mother) as a natural pro-biotic is very beneficial to your budgies:

http://talkbudgies.com/articles-holistic-natural-remedies/103936-apple-cider-vinegar.html

When I introduced pellets to my budgie, my Avian Vet recommended using Harrison's High Potency Mash and sprinkling it on the budgie's seed mix every day. This way, when the budgie hulls the seed it tastes the pellet mash and ingests bits of it as well. This helps the budgie identify the taste as a food source.

Many members seem to find the easiest pellets to use for introducing pellets to their budgies to be the CANARY sized Zupreem fruity pellets. Most budgies like the taste and the "Canary" sized pellets are tiny enough for them to easily eat them. Once they've become accustomed to the Fruity Pellets, introducing the smallest "natural" pellets is then an easy step.

Other than when I was using the Harrison's mash, I've never mixed my birds' pellets and seed together. My birds have three separate dishes each with a different brand/flavor of pellets available to them 24/7. Their seed is rationed to approximately 2 teaspoons of seed per budgie each day. I give them seed first thing in the morning right after putting clean newspapers on the bottom grate of the cages. I sprinkle their morning ration on the paper so they can forage for the seeds. I then do the same thing in the evenings (after replacing the soiled newspaper with clean) and again allow them to forage for their seed.

All of my birds have the option to eat the available pellets whenever they like throughout the day and they all enjoy them!

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With a healthy diet and using Apple Cider Vinegar, you should not need any vitamins or supplements (for non-breeding budgies) other than Vitamin D3 which is used for birds who get limited direct sunlight.

Lady Gouldian Finch .com - Soluvite D

When my birds are particularly stressed (e.g. molting) I will sometimes add Avi-Bios probiotic to their egg food.

https://www.avitec.com/AviBios-Lactobacillus-and-Probiotics-p/avb8.htm
 

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I would buy both the fruity pellets and the maintenance pellets and use separate dishes for each of type pellets in the cage.

As I've mentioned previously, I give my budgies their seed in two rations per day.
1/2 in the morning and 1/2 in the evening.
Remember that each budgie only needs about 1 1/2 to 2 teaspoons of seed (each) per day.

The dishes of pellets are available in their cages 24/7 so they always have a food source available when they get hungry.

Keep in mind that "converting" your budgies to pellets actually simply means getting them to eat pellets as a part of their healthy diet.
They will still always need a high quality seed mix and a good variety of safe vegetables as well. :)
 

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I would buy both the fruity pellets and the maintenance pellets and use separate dishes for each of type pellets in the cage.

As I've mentioned previously, I give my budgies their seed in two rations per day.
1/2 in the morning and 1/2 in the evening.
Remember that each budgie only needs about 1 1/2 to 2 teaspoons of seed (each) per day.

The dishes of pellets are available in their cages 24/7 so they always have a food source available when they get hungry.

Keep in mind that "converting" your budgies to pellets actually simply means getting them to eat pellets as a part of their healthy diet.
They will still always need a high quality seed mix and a good variety of safe vegetables as well. :)
Hi Deborah, yes I remember you saying that :). I wouldn't be able to get them to forage for it now as Ollie as developed a liking taste for newspaper and so it's out of their cage.

Once they are happy to eat pellets I would limit their seed to morning and night like you, but until then I wouldn't take out the seed and just expect them to eat their pellets because I wouldn't want them to go hungry if they didn't want to try them. I feed them 2 teaspoons of seed each per day in that one feeder cup, so I change it every morning. Recently Ollie and Daisy are in love with broccoli because I've been eating it in front of them! they literally devour it in impressive time. Apart from this, he has only slightly picked at celery, carrot and apple in the past. He's not comfortable with them yet, I need to eat more in front of him, as whenever he sees me eating he'll come to the corner of the cage and want some. Otherwise, whatever I put in his cage he's a bit afraid of.

You don't change the pellets in the coop cups daily right? How many teaspoons of pellets do you put in the coop cup roughly for each budgie? Or does this not matter since that food source stays in there all the time?

I think I will go ahead and buy a small bag of each, the nutriblend and maintenance and have separate coop cups for them. This makes me happy to have something at least decided there! thank you for helping me decide that :). If you have any other tips with getting them to eat pellets please let me know, I'll also continue researching myself!
 

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You don't have to have your budgies forage for their seed rations. Simply use a separate food dish for their seed and divide their daily ration into servings for morning and evening.
(That's what I do with my budgie girls if you remember. ;))

I don't put a specific amount of pellets in the pellet food dishes. I use small amounts so that if/when the pellets get soiled they can easily be tossed with minimal waste.
 

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You don't have to have your budgies forage for their seed rations. Simply use a separate food dish for their seed and divide their daily ration into servings for morning and evening.
(That's what I do with my budgie girls if you remember. ;))

I don't put a specific amount of pellets in the pellet food dishes. I use small amounts so that if/when the pellets get soiled they can easily be tossed with minimal waste.
I remember :) and finally a somewhat silly question, because you divide the seed into two portions during the day is there always seed in their cage? Or do you leave it in their for a certain number of hours then take it out for the rest of the day and replace it at night? (For your budgie girls). And also, I'm curious to know what are the different pellet brands/flavours you give your budgies? Because you like to give them the option of 2 or 3 different ones.

I really appreciate you answering all of my questions. Thanks so much!
 

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I leave the seed in the cage until I change it out at the next feeding.
Sometimes they've eaten all of it and sometimes they haven't.

I have a separate " seed/pellets leftovers" container that I dump the remains of the seed dish in (and I sweep up the stuff that gets thrown out of the dishes with a little whisk broom and dustpan).
When the leftovers container has a sufficient amount in it, I dump it out behind my backyard fence for the wild birds to forage in and find any leftover seeds or pellets.

Basically, the morning seed stays in until I change it out at around 4 or 5 PM.
The seed I put in at 4-5 PM then stays in overnight until I change it out the next morning.
I wash the food dishes out using white vinegar and I clean the water dishes the same way. I only use Filtered Water (Brita Water Picture) at room temperature for my birds.

With regard to pellets, I use the Roudybush mini natural pellets.
(Sometimes I also use Roudybush crumbles -- depends on my mood)
The budgies and lovies like both.

I used to give them Zupreem natural pellets but all of my birds like the Roudybush pellets better.

I also use Zupreem Fruity Pellets in the XS Canary Size in a separate dish.

Each cage also has a dish with Dried Herb Salad in it.

Sometimes I give the birds a commercially prepared mix called "Miracle Meal" which they actually like to eat dry.

Of course, the cages have a separate dish for their fresh vegetables or egg food.

Hope that helps!
 

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The leftovers container is a great and thoughtful idea :)

Thanks, it definitely helps. I was wondering if there was ever a time where you didn't have seed in their cage, and you answered that and more :)

I've been separating their seed from their pellets and they haven't touched their pellets. I feel a bit lost even though I have only recently started the process of introducing the pellets into their diet.

I'll be buying the nutriblend pellets along with their cage on thursday, too.

Thanks for always answering my questions, in depth!

Bee

I leave the seed in the cage until I change it out at the next feeding.
Sometimes they've eaten all of it and sometimes they haven't.

I have a separate " seed/pellets leftovers" container that I dump the remains of the seed dish in (and I sweep up the stuff that gets thrown out of the dishes with a little whisk broom and dustpan).
When the leftovers container has a sufficient amount in it, I dump it out behind my backyard fence for the wild birds to forage in and find any leftover seeds or pellets.

Basically, the morning seed stays in until I change it out at around 4 or 5 PM.
The seed I put in at 4-5 PM then stays in overnight until I change it out the next morning.
I wash the food dishes out using white vinegar and I clean the water dishes the same way. I only use Filtered Water (Brita Water Picture) at room temperature for my birds.

With regard to pellets, I use the Roudybush mini natural pellets.
(Sometimes I also use Roudybush crumbles -- depends on my mood)
The budgies and lovies like both.

I used to give them Zupreem natural pellets but all of my birds like the Roudybush pellets better.

I also use Zupreem Fruity Pellets in the XS Canary Size in a separate dish.

Each cage also has a dish with Dried Herb Salad in it.

Sometimes I give the birds a commercially prepared mix called "Miracle Meal" which they actually like to eat dry.

Of course, the cages have a separate dish for their fresh vegetables or egg food.

Hope that helps!
 

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I've been trying to get Niko to eat pellets, and this method seems to be working so far.

Soak the pellets in hot water (sticking the water in the microwave for 1 minute does it)- this results in a goopy pellet mash.
Once you have that, add seeds in an 70-80/30-20 seeds/pellet mash ratio. I scoop out 1/4 tsp of the mash and flatten it in the middle of his bowl, then add 1/2 tsp of Niko's seed mix and press it into the mash. (I only have one budgie though and that's how much he eats- do however much you usually do for your two)
This way, he HAS to grab some of the pellet mash in order to eat his seeds. You can also try rolling it into balls and baking it to make a "nutriberry" or a bar.
Over time, you increase the amount of pellet mash and decrease the amount of seeds. Then you decrease the amount of moisture in the mash until they're comfortably eating the dry pellets with just a little bit of seeds.

Hope this helps!
 

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I've been trying to get Niko to eat pellets, and this method seems to be working so far.

Soak the pellets in hot water (sticking the water in the microwave for 1 minute does it)- this results in a goopy pellet mash.
Once you have that, add seeds in an 70-80/30-20 seeds/pellet mash ratio. I scoop out 1/4 tsp of the mash and flatten it in the middle of his bowl, then add 1/2 tsp of Niko's seed mix and press it into the mash. (I only have one budgie though and that's how much he eats- do however much you usually do for your two)
This way, he HAS to grab some of the pellet mash in order to eat his seeds. You can also try rolling it into balls and baking it to make a "nutriberry" or a bar.
Over time, you increase the amount of pellet mash and decrease the amount of seeds. Then you decrease the amount of moisture in the mash until they're comfortably eating the dry pellets with just a little bit of seeds.

Hope this helps!
Hi Katherine- thanks so much for sharing this with me! Do you mind sharing with me a picture of how it looks when it's mush and also when you've compiled it? How long have you been doing this with Niko and have you made any ratio adjustments yet to increase pellets?
 

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Hi Katherine- thanks so much for sharing this with me! Do you mind sharing with me a picture of how it looks when it's mush and also when you've compiled it? How long have you been doing this with Niko and have you made any ratio adjustments yet to increase pellets?
Of course not! I made a bunch of it and this is what it looks like- a lot like wet dog food honestly


This is what it looks like with the seeds pressed into it- I haven't made adjustments yet because Niko's still getting used to it (it's been a few days- at least he's TRYING it lol)

As you can see, you can barely see the mash- it's mostly seeds with the mash just holding them in place.
 

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Do you make a morning and night portion for him or just one that last throughout the day? have you seen him eat the mash? I worry that because it's literally mash it's unrecognisable in comparison to its dry form, what if our birds get to liking the mash but don't want to try the pellets in dry form? :lol: and thanks so much for showing me!!
 

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Do you make a morning and night portion for him or just one that last throughout the day? have you seen him eat the mash? I worry that because it's literally mash it's unrecognisable in comparison to its dry form, what if our birds get to liking the mash but don't want to try the pellets in dry form? :lol: and thanks so much for showing me!!
I make enough to last for about 3 days. And yes! He definitely eats it, he's been eating more and more of it every day. Your last concern is why you take the moisture out of it slowly :)
Eventually it'll be like eating the dry pellets, or as you dry it out slowly you can mix in some of the completely dry pellets
 
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