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I'm trying to learn budgie genetics,but I'm still pretty lost.
What gene would cause a yellow budgie to have blue on his back and belly? I thought budgies could only be yellow series or blue,but this baby seems to be both
I'll get some pics,but he appears to be a pied as well because he has some markings on his wings,but not the "normal"amounts
 

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Yes. He's a yellowface type 2 recessive pied. He's also opaline and possibly spangled. YF type 2 causes yellow to spread over the parts of the blue series bird that would normally be white (face, body, wings), where type 1 is usually restricted to the head (I think). :) can't wait to see pics of your bird. Then someone will be able to tell you for sure.
 

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agreed yellow face type 2 recessive pied

here's mine

Mines Full mutation is Yellow Face type 2 Cobalt Violet Spangle







open wing view (he came to me clipped )

 

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I'm trying to learn budgie genetics,but I'm still pretty lost.
What gene would cause a yellow budgie to have blue on his back and belly? I thought budgies could only be yellow series or blue,but this baby seems to be both
I'll get some pics,but he appears to be a pied as well because he has some markings on his wings,but not the "normal"amounts
I think he looks like Bruce. Is he a yellowface?
You're not lost at all. :) Your budgie is probably a yellow face recessive pied blue.

There are three shades of blue: sky blue (no dark factors), cobalt (one dark factor) and mauve (two dark factors). Which color blue is your bird? http://www.***************/colorsguide.html#darkfactor

There are two types of yellow face: type 1 and type 2. After a Type 2 chick's first molt, the yellow suffuses onto the blue body color to turn it a shade of green. See http://www.***************/colorsguide.html#yellowface. The ideal Type 1 has yellow only on face (and tail coverts?), but some Type 1's have yellow suffusion elsewhere on their bodies, but not enough to turn the blue to green. The bird in the middle of the attached picture is a type 1 yellow face recessive pied cobalt. (And believe it or not, the blue and white bird to the left of him is his dad; he's a double factor type 1 yellow face normal sky blue split to recessive pied. Double factor YF1's are white, not yellow!)

We'd love to see a picture of your bird. :)
 

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I can't get a pic to show his yellow. It's a very pale yellow on his flights and tail
This is the best I could get. You can see the yellow on his forehead
 

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The pics of the yellow face you have,he is a spangle because there is color in the wing? Spangle and opaline are super confusing,or I'm that dense
 

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The pics of the yellow face you have,he is a spangle because there is color in the wing? Spangle and opaline are super confusing,or I'm that dense
no he's spangle because his wing markings are "reversed"

Spangle causes the markings on the wings and tail to be reversed. On the wings, instead of the normal black feathers with white edges creating the normal striping pattern, the feathers are mostly clear (yellow or white) with a thin black stripe at the edge
http://www.***************/colorsguide.html#spangle
 

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I can't get a pic to show his yellow. It's a very pale yellow on his flights and tail
This is the best I could get. You can see the yellow on his forehead
I think he's a yellow face spangle dominant pied sky blue. I don't know whether he's Type 1 or Type 2 yellow face.

He's cute! :loveeyes:

Can you post a picture of his parents? If he's spangle, then one of his parents is a spangle.
 

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I can't post pics of the parents,these babies came to us to be handfed and socialized to be our pets. To my completely untrained eye they were blue. I don't know anything about colors and mutations,but dang these babies are just about the sweetest I've ever had the pleasure to raise.

I think he's a yellow face spangle dominant pied sky blue. I don't know whether he's Type 1 or Type 2 yellow face.

He's cute! :loveeyes:

Can you post a picture of his parents? If he's spangle, then one of his parents is a spangle.
 

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I think your baby is YF1 dominant pied spangle. Not sure about the greywing. Wing markings on spangles are often lighter than on a non spangle and your photo is a bit too dark. Also not sure about the dark factor. He's certainly not mauve, but I can't tell if he's cobalt or sky blue. One thing is for sure-the bird is very cute!!!
 

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I can't get a pic to show his yellow. It's a very pale yellow on his flights and tail
This is the best I could get. You can see the yellow on his forehead
This chick is a yellowface type two sky blue greywing dominant pied, as ATV stated before.

It looks like it might be opaline, and that might be why you folks are thinking you see spangle markings. Since both opaline and greywing tend to wash out markings, having them both on the same bird can often make it look spangle.

If it weren't dominant pied, you would be able to look at the flight feathers, and see that they are fully grey, not spangled. But since this one is dom pied, you will have to check to see if the tail feathers are spangled or not.

(I tried to get the photo to copy here, but I don't think it's working.)

Also, it's not a type 1, since it has yellow throughout its body. :)
 

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I'm sorry,that pic was horrible. Everything that looked white in that pic is actually a pale yellow. His(?)head is a darker yellow. I will work on getting some better pics.
While we're at it,is it opaline then that causes the body color to be in the wings?

My apologies. On my computer, the only yellow I can see is on the bird's head. :)
 

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This chick is a yellow face dominant pied spangle. It is the spangle gene that has made the markings look grey.

Incidentally spangle markings are not reversed. The melanin is reduced on the upper part of the feather leaving only the bottom edge of the dark area showing. The feathers still have a white or yellow edge
 

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This chick is a yellow face dominant pied spangle. It is the spangle gene that has made the markings look grey.

Incidentally spangle markings are not reversed. The melanin is reduced on the upper part of the feather leaving only the bottom edge of the dark area showing. The feathers still have a white or yellow edge
Thanks, Nev. For a minute there, I thought i was going crazy. :p
 
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