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Hello everyone, I was wondering if you have any advise regarding this...
I have two male budgies- Chestnut (1/2 year) and Ocean (2 years) and recently they both started having grey droppings. They are quite small in size and usually are green with some green or yellow in them.

It started with ocean about a week ago, and he was acting sleepy at the time. However, his behaviour improved. I've been giving him apple cider vinegar in water and Guardian Angel in his seed. Now, both birds have bad droppings, but they are both very active and happy, not quiet at all. They are chirping, flying around and playing a lot. They also eat and drink as usual.

We have recently changed our furniture and redecorated the whole living room (it looks completely different now) I thought that maybe it's a stress reaction, as they had a unfamiliar surroundings. They both also seem to be going through moulting. we also had our friends visiting for a week with the newborn, which was a lot of noise and disturbed their sleeping patterns.

I am considering it to be just a sign of stress, but i am getting worried, as I know that birds tend to hide their illnesses.

i would have taken them to the vet already, but they are impossible to tame, so they are really hard to control and take out of the cage. It would stress them out so much that I'm afraid it will make the things worse. But i understand that I will have to go with it, if they don't improve.

Do you have any suggestions on what food should i feed them at this moment? As usual veggies (broccoli, kale, spinach) might make things worse, as their poop might be runny.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thank you!
 

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Are you giving the budgies pellets in addition to the seeds?

Could you please post a picture of the droppings?

How large is their cage?
If the cage can easily fit into your vehicle, you can simply take the budgies to the Avian Vet in the cage they are currently in.
I've done that in the past with two of my budgies that were in a good sized cage which still fit well into the backseat of my car.
 

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They are on 'LIVING WORLD' Premium seed mix. I did try giving them pallets by mixing with the seed, but they would pick the seeds out and leave the pallets, so i gave up after a couple of months.

I've attached the photos.

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Their cage is on the big side. It's not the small cage at all, so that would be very difficult to transport. Maybe I could ask vet to come home, I need to find out about the arrangements.

I've added some probiotics in their food this morning, I hope that will help.
 

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The droppings look perfectly normal to me and I have 9 budgies.

If you are really concerned then you should have the budgies seen by an Avian Vet.

Avian Vets have special training to determine the cause of symptoms resulting from illness or trauma.
This is important as "regular" vets will often overlook symptoms that are quickly obvious to an Avian Vet.
When you rely on anyone who has not had training in Avian diagnosis and care, you may be delaying effective treatment.
This can prolong suffering that may be avoidable.
The bird will often require a more intense, prolonged treatment with a poorer chance of full recovery than it would have if you seek prompt professional diagnosis and treatment at the first sign of illness.

Distinction between an Avian Vet and a Vet that "Will See Birds"

Having your new budgie examined by an Avian Vet allows you to develop a good relationship with the vet in case your bird needs care for an injury or illness in the future. Additionally, it is always helpful for the vet to have a baseline for your bird to refer to should it need future treatment.
 

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The droppings look normal to me, perhaps if you can't transport the birds to the vet, if you are concerned, you could take in a sample of the droppings, preferably fresh, in for a test, you would need to consult with the vet office to see if they would do that without ever having seen the birds.
 

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I've been giving them both probiotics and some soothing foods, but the improvement is very slight. Their poop is still quite weird shaped and it has yellow around it now.
Chestnut seems very active, and his poop seems better. But I noticed that Ocean is quiet for the past two days and sleeps a bit more than usual.

I called the vet to get their poop tested for bacteria, and I brought it in. They asked me to put the droppings of both birds together. I brought it in. They said that they will need 10x times of that amount to be able to test something. I have a feeling they don't even know what a budgie is. Even if I was collecting them for 7 days, it wouldn't make the amount they ask me for. It is the only vet that sees exotic pets in my area, but I really have a feeling that they have no clue.

I had a bird Kiwi with the same symptoms last year and I brought her in. The vet prescribed antibiotics, pain killers and calcium (in case she had egg) and she died within a week unfortunately. It was a big loss and I really want to take care for these birds. But I feel like I am out of options.

If I bring them in, the Vet is going to weight them, inspect their eyes, feet etc, and prescribe the medicine. The last time it happened my bird died, and I am really not sure what to do here. Also, it would stress them so much to get to the vet and let anyone handle them, that it will make things so much worse. They are not very well tamed.

I still have Kiwi's antibiotics at home and I have Megabac, as we ordered it from Australia, just to have it at home in case of emergency, as they don't make it in the UK. I've been giving them Guardian Angel, Probiotics and apple cider vinegar in their water every day.

I have a feeling that it is some kind of infection in their gut. Is there any natural/ herbal way of helping them?

This forum is the only hope at the moment, as I am desperate for help, and nobody in my area can offer a proper help unfortunately.
 

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The droppings look normal to me too, although I am no expert.

As of today, are your birds eating/drinking and acting normally?

We have recently changed our furniture and redecorated the whole living room (it looks completely different now) ... They both also seem to be going through moulting. we also had our friends visiting for a week with the newborn, which was a lot of noise and disturbed their sleeping patterns.
Moulting all by itself can make birds quieter and sleep more than usual. They've had stress on top of that.

I can't tell you whether your birds need a vet or not, but I can understand you're torn between inflicting more stress on them from a vet vs. missing an illness that needs vet care. As their owner you see them all the time, you know them, just keep calm and use your best judgement.

Edit: You're already treating your birds with various substances without any diagnosis of disease, and you're asking for what else to give them. Medicine when it's not needed can make things worse.
 

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They are eating and drinking, but Ocean looks a bit puffed up and sleepy at times. He might be chirping and playing with Chestnut for a few hours, but then goes and sits quietly next to his favourite toy. What i also noticed today is that his tail is shaking a bit when he sleeps ( I thought that he might be cold, so I covered half of cage with a blanket now). What I have noticed is that they seem restless when I put them to sleep. They used to fall asleep and any small noises didn't bother them, but now as soon as I walk in the room to pick something up- they give me that annoyed noise, so I am trying to bother them at all.
I do think that they need to see Vet, but again I spent two hours on the phone ringing every clinic in 100km radius, to find out if they specialise in birds. If I take them to the vet I used to take another bird Kiwi (passed away unfortunately), the Vet will probably do the same thing- examine them and prescribe antibiotics. They didn't even run any tests, to see if she has bacteria. What I had after the visit was £160 hole in my pocket and a dying bird.

I know that set medicating is a horrible thing, that's why I am asking for 'natural' ways to make them feel better.
 

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If you are unable to find an Avian Vet then the next best option is an Exotic Vet that has experience with small birds.

There is a wealth of information available on this site which you can utilize to ensure you have the necessary knowledge to discuss your specific concerns and treatment options with a professional.

The articles in the Budgie Article section of the forum will help you better understand which lab tests to ask for and why.

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I'm no expert either, but those droppings look very normal to me. IF you are concerned, I would recommend an avian vet. I've taken mine to a vet that saw birds, and it was a waste of money. Definitely seek out an avian vet, if not for anything else, future wellness visits.
 

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They are both doing okay. They are still sleeping a lot during a day, but they seem much more active than before too. Chestnut flies out of the cage every other day which I'm happy about, as he's exercising. Their poop is back to normal colour (no more green and watery), which seems like a good sign.

I started to think that they might have mites, as they are really restless when going to sleep and they itch a lot (could be due to the moult, as that just kicked in full on). They use their perches to rub their heads on them several times a day- is that normal? There are no obvious signs (crusty beak, or black dots etc), but it would explain sleepiness during the day too.

Also Ocean's tail is shaking sometimes, when he is resting. I haven't noticed it before, but now it's quite obvious. I read that it is also a symptom of mites, is that true?

Still no success in finding an avian vet in this area, and don't feel like going to the exotic one again, as it was a waste of money.
 

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Can you post a video of your birds? Especially Ocean's tail-shaking? Maybe that would help somebody to help you.

I'm glad they both seem OK for the moment.
 
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