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Hi,
I've been a budgie owner for 5 months now and would like to put a definate mutation label on my birdies! I have looked around and know that Lulu is a violet (?) pied of some description, but can't say which one for sure. Also know that Blu is a yellow face...but what exactly is his colouring (cobalt/skyblue/etc)

Here is gorgeous Lulu:




Blu:


And the happy couple together...


And my 1st tiel Rudy checking them out...
 

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Oh and it might help to tell you that Lulu hasn't got iris rings and I know that she is now over 6 months of age (they were 2-3 months when I bought them and I've had them for 5 months) Blu got his iris rings after about 2 months with me...

Thank you so much for any help you can give me.
 

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Have you got them in an aviary? BEAUTIFUL birds, don't ask me about mutations. It's not exactly my field. :) Love em
 

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Lulu is a Cobalt Recessive pied ~She looks Violet Cobalt in the first pic but not so much Violet in the 2nd~ -she will never have Iris rings because she is recessive pied
Blu is a yellow face type 2 sky blue
 

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Thank you so much ATVchick! Yay I have mutations now =] and yes Budgieboy they have a big huge aviary (bigger than my bedroom) all to themselves...it has an inside room, and a bigger outside area that is perspexed on most sides (like flaps though on one area so that if its cool like now, they are left down but summer they go up) and it can be divided into one outside section/ outside and inside section. It also has trees growing in it and a bathing area. They are SPOILT!
 

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Lulu is a Recessive Pied Violet and Blue is a single factor Yellowface Mutant 1 Sky Blue.
 

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I agree with ATV on LuLu a cobalt blue recessive pied. For Blu though I lean more to a yellow face type 1 sky blue :)


Lulu is a Recessive Pied Violet and Blue is a single factor Yellowface Mutant 1 Sky Blue.
blu is sea green not Normal sky blue - in order for it to be sea green he has to be a type 2 yellow face that is what makes a sky blue bird turn sea green
 

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blu is sea green not Normal sky blue - in order for it to be sea green he has to be a type 2 yellow face that is what makes a sky blue bird turn sea green
Blu is as I said it is. I have used the correct terminolgy. I am not sure if you are aware but there are three Yellowface mutations and they are in single and double factor form. They should not be (although the reference stills persists) referred to as Type 1 or Type 2. The designation of the word "Type" is used when referring to Dark Green split Blue linkage.

The word 'sea green' is not a correct name designation for any of the Yellowface mutations. It can be used as a way to describe the resultant colour.

If you look closely all Yellowface mutants will change the blue colouration to some degree. They have to. In order to understand Yellowfaces the first step to take is to stop thinking of them as blue birds with yellowfaces. They are green birds with reduced psittacine (yellow) pigment. It is the quantity of psittacine pigment which has mutated. The more that is lost the more blue the bird becomes.
 

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Blu is as I said it is. I have used the correct terminolgy. I am not sure if you are aware but there are three Yellowface mutations and they are in single and double factor form. They should not be (although the reference stills persists) referred to as Type 1 or Type 2. The designation of the word "Type" is used when referring to Dark Green split Blue linkage.

The word 'sea green' is not a correct name designation for any of the Yellowface mutations. It can be used as a way to describe the resultant colour.

If you look closely all Yellowface mutants will change the blue colouration to some degree. They have to. In order to understand Yellowfaces the first step to take is to stop thinking of them as blue birds with yellowfaces. They are green birds with reduced psittacine (yellow) pigment. It is the quantity of psittacine pigment which has mutated. The more that is lost the more blue the bird becomes.
that is what is said the yellow face changed the normal blue to a sea green color

and I said the bird is a sky blue I did not say it is sea green there is no mutation called sea green I'm well aware of this - its the yellow bleeding into the body changing the color - Yellow + blue = Green but the bird is still a Sky blue ! even though it looks green

and sorry but not all yellow faces change the blue color I have many many many type 1 yellow face blues and they have NO green coloration in their blue they're still normal blue rather its sky blue or cobalt blue the only time the yellow changes the body color from sky blue to a sea foam green color is when its a type 2 yellow face because the yellow bleeds into the body color changing the color appearance , and I believe golden face does as well

there is several types of Yellow faces I am aware of that I have them all!
there is

type 1 -Light yellow color - where the yellow is on the mask and sometimes goes into the white areas like the wings and tails but does not change the body color at all

type 2- darker yellow color than type 2 - The yellow bleeds into the body color changing the normal sky blue coloration to a sea green coloration

Golden face- Buttercup yellow in color much darker than type 2 - and can bleed into the body color

Double Factor Yellow face- Appears to be a normal Bird with a White Mask, but when bred to a non yellow face you get yellow face babies

I've heard people refer to their bird as a double factor golden face- I've never seen any articles mention a double factor golden face just a Double factor Yellow face that is sometimes referred to as a Yellow face type 3 and Just Golden Face but not DF Golden Face
 

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The reason I think it is a yellowface type 1 is there is very little yellow going into the body color, especially in the second pic can you see the bird is sky blue in color generally :)

While yellowface type 1 is mostly on the face like you said, and with some birds is only on the face, it can and often does bleed into the body color some too but not as much or as deep of a color as type 2 ;)

Like you said type 2's usually have a seafoam green color from the mixing of the 2, but this bird doesn't look to me like it has enough color bleeding for a type 2 as it is not very bright and mostly on the face :)
 

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You can look at a yellow face as a blue bird with partially working yellow pigment/enzyme instead of a green bird that has lost pigment. People don't have to see things your way only to understand them or be accurate. I also don't see the problem with using the word type. We can put whatever designation on the yellow face mutations and they are still the same thing. I've seen them given all sorts of letter designations even by the experts. This thread by itself uses 2 possible ones for each enzyme.
http://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=37819

Calling them type1 type 2 or yf1 yf2 makes it easy for people who are not ready for that complicated of genetics to understand.

Getting hung up over semantics only makes it hard for people to hold a discussion.
 

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What complicates dicussions is people holding onto their currently accepted beliefs even though the facts have been in existance for quite some time.

I have bred Goldenfaces for 20+ years, it is one of my specilaist varieties. Obviously some of my thread was mis-read so I will state again the various mutants but in a more simple form.

Yellowface mutant I is the one usually seen with a lemon or cream face with very little yellow suffusion in the body. Some people however do not have good eye sight and do not see the yellow suffusion. The bird pictured shows the suffusion. This mutant is available in single and double factor form. The double factor form is visually a white-faced bird.

Yellowface mutant II is the one with a pale yellow face but slight darker than in the first one but will show a high degree of yellow suffusion into the body. These appear either 'sea green' (Sky Blue) or 'aqua' (Cobalt). This mutant is also available in single and double factor form with the double factor form the yellow is reduced more towards the face but there is still some yellow suffusion.

Goldenfaces have bright yellow faces. In single factor form the yellow will suffuse into the body in a far greater depth than the other two mutants. Sky look sea greenish, cobalts look turqoise, mauves look like olives and grey look like grey greens. In double factor form the yellow is reduced and is best seen in Cobalts and Violets. In fact I have a double factor cobalt one in the aviary right now. Might have to go get a pic.

There can also be combinations of the various yellowface mutants and they do not always appear as you think they would. There is also a hieracy of dominance as they are what is termed multiple alleles.
 

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This pic is of two Goldenface Cobalts who are father and daughter. The father is a single factor the daughter is a double factor. Note the suffusion difference between them. Don't mind the **** bird looking a bit frazzled, he is feeding chicks.



Close-up of ****.



Close-up of daughter.

 
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