StarlingWings, that's good to know. Thank you
So we managed to get some training done last night. Now we will see if this helps tomorrow when I work with them again but I work with Kiger first, while Max stays in the carrier. Kiger doesn't get bored or distracted and Max can get himself worked up for his turn (In theory) It worked out last night. Kiger did his usual routine. I foucesed on 'wave' and having him only wave on command. I am sure he has figured out that 'wave' is one of those tricks that human thinks is absolutely the cutest thing ever and as such he is quite willing to repeatedly do the trick even when he isn't prompted. The same goes for his 'dance'.
Kigers dance is him looking up and whipping his head from side to side. He will do this when he is happy about something like he just got millet. Part of me worries that its something I should be concerned about but he is otherwise fine so I let him do his thing.
Anyway so we did that and upside down. He is getting better about upside down but needs a bit more time before we move on to loop.
Then there is Max. Poor little Max. I think I might just need to shelf the work on the ladder. He has gone down it, he has gone down it to touch the pointer and to be a stinker and get to Kiger. However, now its scary once more. He made it half way down at one point last night before deciding, nope not doing this, and going right on back up to the perch. I did notice a tell when he is considering the idea. I will ask him to touch the pointer farther down the ladder from the perch and he will 'touch' the wood around him, so a wooden bead to another part of the play stand, a central post, maybe a wrung of the ladder. When none of that gets a response he then will start down the ladder/lean to touch the pointer. I worked on shake and 'up' commands with him instead last night.
I'm not sure what to think. I might try and find something else he might like as a treat to entice him more.
So that is where we are at.
Progress is being made in its own way. We will see if this game plan of having Kiger go first with training will work consistently. Fingers crossed!