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Old 02-27-2020, 03:13 PM
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Little Pip wasn't just wet, he was soaked!!
Glad to hear the "forgiveness millet" trick worked well for him.

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Ziggys says we are still here, just busy. Should be getting better now that im not taking 3 classes.
Ziggy also says to stay safe and healthy!
https://youtu.be/8Xbf3klfzSc

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Little Ziggy was certainly one very happy budgie in that video!
So cute -- thanks for sharing it with us.
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What a silly guy, they sure do get enamoured with the craziest of objects.
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What a silly guy, they sure do get enamoured with the craziest of objects.
That they do. As long as none of my boys activly feed it and keeps things PG (looking at you Maru) Im fine with him singing to whatever he wants.

Something random durring this chaotic time...i caved and started letting star and Max spend more time together. They were preening each other through the cage bars! Ice queen yellow chicken was getting scritches and giving scritches!
Full disclosure. My vet and I had a long talk about the two durring their biride wellness exams and she feels as long as no nesting area/supplies are given there isnt a ton to worry about. Star is on a solid diet and egg laying is a perfectly normal thing for hens to do. Budgie daddy and i have discussed it at great length on the topic of thr what ifs in a scenerio where they do live together on a more permanent basis. Im still not entirely on board with the idea, thus why they still don't live together full time, just when im home, but i also cant deny those two are bonded and putting max with star easea up on the agression issue max can causes with the boys. No. Max and star do not keep things PG. Even after an extended short day vacation on stars part. I also do NOT support the idea of activly encouraging the two and contributing more to the unwanted budgie population. But again they are so happy together and it isnt all just max trying to win her over.

Its not an easy call to make. I am still debating it myself. I am adamently against breeding the two, even on 'accadent'. However Max is the only one Star is sweet to. Its the easiest way to deal with the 'max is a jerk and star is all alone' issues, while also not complicating things further by bringing in another hen who star may or may not tolorate. Truth. Part of it is my own ethics that im battling. IF she were to lay potentiality fertal eggs, would i be willing to take the nessisary steps to insure they are not viable...and that is a deeply personal choice budgie daddy and I would make If it were to ever happen. I feel like a monster considering it but i have it stuck in my mind that at least very early on one cant even tell if the eggs are fertal or not...

Ugh. Im thinking a lot about what to do. Please dont stone me for opting to let the two live together. My goal is to have happy chickens not baby chickens but those two just gotta go put on an x rated show whenever they are together, its their biology.

Also its spring time for the other boys. Maru lost his devider bar lover when the boys all moved in together but a few weeks back i got a hell of a laugh watching ziggy try to get onto Marus back. Maru did a bad touch scream and tried to run away....taking ziggy along for a ride on his tail! Things have since calmed down between those two.

Stay safe and healthy everyone! We are doing ok here but koodies 19 is scary stuff.

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I can certainly understand your dilemma.
I would be very careful to ensure that you limit Max and Star's daylight hours to no more than 8 per day and rearrange that cage frequently.
Try moving the cage around the room periodically or into a different room as well to keep the enviornment changing.
Hopefully, those things will help keep Star out of condition and their friskiness won't result in any egg laying.
I would personally recommend separation whenever she is actively in condition though.
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To be honest, im not sure if she has ever truly gone into condition. She's been hormonal to some extent every 3 months or so but her cere has never changed. The vet and I did talk about that durring their birdie wellness as well. Vet thinks its ether she isnt going into condition because an enviroment and high protein foods/wet food isnt provided. Her cere texture has also never changed.

I think my mental hangup on the biology is, mating happens even if she isnt in condition...right? I mean, thats what im seeing when those two spend all of 5 minutes together and im fairly sure she isn't in condition. Does mating outside of being in condition=egg laying but a higher risk of the parents abandoning the eggs or is mating while not in condition fine as long as no other major triggers (i.e nesting space) are provided?

I've only read a bit about breeding budgies (facebook group with english budgies from back when i was looking fora breeder). The main story I recall hearing was a hen abandoning her nest, when the breeder posted to the facebook group asking why she might do this the prominent reply was the hen was likely at the end of her cycle.

I want those two to be together but I also have heard a rather graphic story about a hen that had a prolaps occur while atempting to lay an egg and unfortunately passed over the rainbow due to infection.
Then there is also a story I've heard about why you dont breed englesh males to american hens. Granted this was facebook again, but the reason given was the eggs would be larger and cause the hen to bind. We are 85%sure max is a english/american cross...so would that be a worry too?!

I fuss but then i see the two together and feel bad seperating them. I'll post a picture below. Dont mind the orange crested yellow chicken. Someone got obsessed with a foraging cup that was dyed purple, the red rubbed off onto her.

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It is true hens can lay even when they aren't in condition but ensuring the daylight hours are limited, etc. does help to make it more unlikely.

Poukie Bear breeds both American and English budgies so she should be able to answer the question with regard to whether or not the eggs of English budgies are larger than American.

I'll send her a note and ask her to weigh in on your questions.
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Hens can certainly lay eggs and breed while not in breeding condition, but for obvious reason, it is not ideal. There are higher chances of the eggs being infertile, or abandoning the eggs, or even abandoning the chicks when they hatch.

I always avoid breeding an English to an American, but that's mostly so I don't dilute my English lines. It's kind of like breeding an award winning pure bred dog, do a mixed mutt.

Surprisingly, the English eggs are not that much larger than the American eggs. But just to be on the safe side, I still wouldn't recommend breeding English and American together.

Here is a side by side comparison, can you tell which is English and which is American?

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Hens can certainly lay eggs and breed while not in breeding condition, but for obvious reason, it is not ideal. There are higher chances of the eggs being infertile, or abandoning the eggs, or even abandoning the chicks when they hatch.

I always avoid breeding an English to an American, but that's mostly so I don't dilute my English lines. It's kind of like breeding an award winning pure bred dog, do a mixed mutt.

Surprisingly, the English eggs are not that much larger than the American eggs. But just to be on the safe side, I still wouldn't recommend breeding English and American together.

Here is a side by side comparison, can you tell which is English and which is American?

Thank you for the info!
I dont want to activly breed my hen but her wanna-be boyfriend is aparently very persuasive. I've kept them seperate with sporadic times when they would be out together. After talking with my vet I got to thinking of keeping the pair together for multiple reasons. Max came to us as a stray but because of his size and build we suspect he is a english American cross. Star is a pet store American budgie.

If im following everything correctly, as long as I take care to continue to discourage egg laying letting the pair stay together is ok. The thing is Max is the only one of my flock Star tolorates and it gets Max away from the boys who he will fight to be with best bird (pip or maru). Technically we could continue as we were with the boys in one cage and star in another but the two do seem to be bonded and it feels a bit wrong to keep them seperate.

I think my one remaining concern is since they are still mating (all be it less often since she went on a short day vacation) are we more likely to see eggs if I let them continue while also doing all of the things to avoid egg laying?

>.< sorry for the questions. I might grumble about Star being a total diva but i still adore my little girl. I am terrified of egg binding after hearing so many scary stories. Granted my vet isnt particularly worried since star is on such a good diet to start with. Thank you for your patience with my questions

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