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sdodo 01-20-2017 10:05 AM

Dodo's Flock (Ongoing Thread)
 
Since I started clicker training Max and Kiger I've wanted to keep track of their progress. So I'm starting this thread to keep track of their adventure in clicker training!

I've been working with both for a few weeks now and things have been fun.
Kiger, who is very food motivated, picks up on tricks fairly quickly. He knows 'turn around', 'down/up the ladder', and 'come here' for the most part.

Max...well Max is his own personality. Where Kiger is mostly fearless these days Max is not, and that's ok! I just take things slower with Max. We are working on 'down the ladder' right now where I'm asking him to touch the pointer a little farther down the ladder then the day before. There are nights where we take a step back but there is progress!

I'm not sure what to start next with Kiger. I want to work on 'wings up' but when they do stretch both wings I'm normally not ready with clicker in hand. I need to work on that. I'm so excited to be working with both boys!

FaeryBee 01-20-2017 10:48 AM

Wonderful! A training journal will be an excellent way to help keep track of Max and Kiger's progress.
I'll look forward to seeing how things work out. :)

StarlingWings 01-20-2017 01:25 PM

I also look forward to hearing how things progress with your little ones! :)

sdodo 01-24-2017 09:54 AM

Max went down the ladder last night! I asked him to touch the pointer once at the top of the ladder, and then asked him to touch it from the bottom of the ladder. After a long moment of deep thinking on Max's part he opted to go for it. Get the treat and then I would ask him to go up the ladder with the pointer now at the top of the ladder. It is far easier to get him to go up a ladder then down....

Kiger wasn't so motivated last night, Max was out of sight (bed time cage just out of sight but in the same room). I kept things short and just had Kiger do a review of 'turn around', 'down the ladder', and 'up the ladder', before starting on 'wave' and 'shake'. He did well all things considered. When it came to 'come here' though he was not having that. He still needed exercise time so I did what I do for Max (who doesn't know 'come here' yet...don't know if/when we might get to that but I don't think it will be any time soon with him.) and had Kiger step up onto my hand, I'd turn and walk away from the cage to the other side of the room before asking him to fly back. Repeat a few more times before putting him home for the evening. Exercise!

sdodo 01-25-2017 11:16 AM

Well, one step forward two steps back...Max doesn't want anything to do with the ladder. So I let it go for the night. A situation I find myself in with him is, while he is hand tame enough to step up and 'come here' from a very short distance away (a hop away at farthest) and he will mouth at my finger tips from time to time, he has times where he isn't so keen on my hand being by him. Last night was one of those nights. So, I spent the rest of the nub of millet with my hand by him and giving him the rest of the millet.

Kiger was a bit out of it tonight, it took him a bit longer to agree to go down the ladder. He was all for 'shake' and 'wave' and 'turn around'. I kind of want to try 'roll over' but he is a bit to... all over the place...to be ok working on any other surface then the perch... maybe that will come with time. I'm going to need to start with the come here command because if I wait until after everything else he is simply done with training at that point.

A total side thought/thing. I put together a play area in the room where I work on training with them, and where their bed time cage is. Its a few ropes and ladders and a swing between the bed time cage and the old cage. Now this is new, and its also a change to routine, so I'm not all that surprised that they haven't taken well to it yet. I shouldn't give up hope on them using it yet though right? Also they aren't the most active pair. They are quite content to sing on top of the cage. They don't fly around much...again new area, change of routine, I just need to give them time to adjust right?

sdodo 02-01-2017 12:07 PM

update!
I skipped training Monday, I was just to worn out by the time I got home. So last night I worked with both boys. Kiger is as uh...easily distracted as ever. He is fairly good about everything I've already taught him, but we do have a thing about turning around when I do the motion and ask him to wave...Need to work on that.
What has me excited is Max! He went down the ladder and back up like a good little boy. So I started on shake...Thinking he was going to be his usual no touchy self. He let me hold my finger by his foot, I'd click and reward him when he did without moving away. We did that a few times before I asked him to shake by nudging at his foot gently, he put his foot onto my finger, I'd do the motions of shake and click and bonus treats! I was so happy with him :)
It throws me for a loop working with Max sometimes. One day he is chill with everything, the next, he is wary of the pointer, and is all about not being touched. (other days he is really jumpy) I know its all trust. I don't expect Max to trust me as much as Kiger does, he simply hasn't been around as long. I think there is more to Max's wariness then just the difference in time each bird has been with us. This thing with his primary feathers has made things difficult for everyone involved, and not been helping the trust building. But he does still eat from my hand, will sometimes step up and will come to the bars of the cage if I have a nub of millet there, not as fast as Kiger if Kiger sees the millet but again, trust. That's why I'm so thrilled that he did do shake last night. Its a little bit of trust that I didn't have before. :)

FaeryBee 02-01-2017 01:27 PM

I'm very impressed with the progress you're making with Kiger and Max!! Well done. :2thumbs:

sdodo 02-08-2017 10:25 AM

Well...Max will shake with only a little hesitation now. However he does hesitate with the 'touch' command, and wasn't all that keen on turn around ether last night. I blame myself its been a few days since I last worked with them on tricks.

Kiger was more open to training but he takes his dear sweet time to eat whatever little bit of millet I give after he does a trick. It does work out to my advantage because then I can work more with Max on 'touch' some more. With how long it takes Max to first inch toward the pointer, maybe start to reach for it before stopping...twice...before finally touching it Kiger is done working at the millet seed he got for doing a thing and is looking for more. I'm still kinda perplexed with Max's behavior but I am just rolling with it. Its a Max thing and that's ok. :) At least we can shake now!

sdodo 02-10-2017 11:31 AM

Well, Kiger is working on hanging upside down from the perch, and Max is working on going down the ladder...
Kiger is adorable when Kiger does 'wave' :) He is a little confused with shake, so I will back track and work on that a bit more with him.
Max and the ladder...he was fine with touching the pointer last night but not so fine with following the pointer and going down the ladder. It was near the end of the session and he was a bit distracted by Kiger in the cage so I couldn't get far anyway. I aim to start the next session with a brief warm up and then go to working on going down the ladder.
I cant help but giggle a bit when Max shakes.

So Kiger knows: turn around, down the ladder/up the ladder, wave, and shake (kinda...)
We are working on shake, and upside down (where he hangs upside down from the perch.) My goal is to turn upside down into going around the perch in a loop...

And Max Knows: turn around, and shake. Working on down/up the ladder. Eventually I will work on wave with him but upside down is still a fair distance off in things I plan to train Max to do.
I really need to get my act together and work on teaching wings up/stretch. I'm concerned about starting a bicker match but I'd just have to be quick about treats...or something. I'm open to suggestions on how to work on this one.

FaeryBee 02-10-2017 01:59 PM

Great job!
I'm so impressed that you've accomplished all this with them in such a short period of time.
Way to go!

sdodo 02-21-2017 03:46 PM

So this was last Thursday but I just got to my computer today to post about the latest with Max and kiger.
Progress! Max will go part way down the ladder now! Kiger is working on the concept of upside down. He will hang upside down but I think its work for him to right himself, its easier to simply jump down then go back to being upright on the perch.

I think I'm going to stick with these new things for at least another session, depending on where Kiger goes with the next session I might start towards going around the perch. I also intend to take several steps back on a separate front. Stepping up and coming out of the cage. Not our strong point (its my fault and I am aware of it) but I am thinking with time/effort and positive vibes leaving the main cage wont be as much of a point of concern as it is now.

sdodo 02-22-2017 01:02 PM

I've been reading more about positive reinforcement and that's caused me to look more at how I interact with Max and Kiger. It really opened my eyes. Its the basis of why I am trying to expand training out into how I work with them in general vs. just teaching tricks.

I aim to keep learning about what to do to give these two boys the best time with me as possible.

sdodo 02-23-2017 05:46 PM

Did a fair bit of in main cage work yesterday since I was home for part of the day. I did several separate sessions each lasting about as long as it took for Max and Kiger to eat a small nub of millet. As expected Kiger picked up on what I wanted relatively quickly. Human holds out hand, says step up, stay on hand as I bring him to the cage door, clicky treat, let him step down onto a perch that will be out of the way as I go to work with Max.

Max is as I expected is a few steps back from where Kiger is. I would offer my hand, if he stepped up I wouldn't bring him to the cage door, instead let him hop off and gave him a treat for just going onto my hand. I was able to bring him to the cage door after a bit so yay!

I also introduced some foraging things for them! I might have found a way to encourage foraging for Max as well! So Kiger will chase a vine ball around the cage floor as long as there is millet in it. Max didn't show much interest in that however. Now I put a little bit of crinkle paper over their seeds in their seed dishes. Apparently (I only started this yesterday and I'm going off what boyfriend said) Max will go through the seed dishes(both his and Kigers) throw out the crinkle paper and eat the seeds. Kiger apparently isn't so keen on that. They still have plenty of food, and Kiger does eat his seeds, but on the crinkle paper front he isn't as enthusiastic about trying to get to the goodies they hide as he is with his vine ball millet combo.

As a total side thing about Max (this was covered more in his health thread...) He is growing in the two mid size tail feathers he molted out finally! And a new feather on the right wing!

So we are back on a positive note! I plan on working on in main cage stuff and maybe tricks tonight depending on their moods when I get to that point.

FaeryBee 02-23-2017 06:24 PM

I love hearing about the progress you are making with Max and Kliger! You're doing a great job.

Awesome news about Max's tail feathers, too! :thumbsup:

sdodo 02-24-2017 11:20 AM

...And last night was a no go. Both Max and Kiger were in a mood last night. By the time they finally went into the bed time cage room it was almost bed time and nether was able to focus on training. Max wasn't going along with the touch command so I let him hang out on his sea grass matt, (He loves to chill out on these platform things) and tried to work with Kiger. Yeah he just wanted to go look at Max. :lol:

So I put them in their bed time cage and worked on some step up and down commands before covering them up for the night. I'm not surprised they were uncooperative last night. Its hit or miss on their mood when I get home later in the evening from work. Oh well. Its ok to have a off day now and then.

sdodo 02-27-2017 11:28 AM

Hello!
No updates this time but I do have a question.
I'm not sure if I am heading toward dealing with two randy budgies but I have noticed an uptick in what I am thinking is them courting each other. Both Max and Kiger spent a fair amount of time this weekend running around the bottom of the cage, standing tall, singing and head bobbing at each other. There was plenty of beak tapping and beak pulling (kissing?) and Kiger even feed Max (not unusual but its been a while since Kigs feed Max). Now I'm use to seeing this once in a while, but not multiple times in one day for longer stretches of time.

I am probably over analyzing this but while watching them I am growing suspicious... something about how Kiger would run toward Max... no climbing on the others back, no suspicious dances with toys or perches... no feeding anything else other then Kiger sometimes feeding Max.
Is it all in my head? Are they courting each other, or just bonding...? Is it possible it wont go further then it has?

FaeryBee 02-27-2017 04:03 PM

It's very likely it will go no further than it has.

I have two boys that "court" each other all day everyday doing all the actions you've described.
Soterion and Scooter have been doing this for months now and haven't gone beyond the courting behaviors. :)

sdodo 02-27-2017 04:58 PM

Thanks FaeryBee :)
I am still learning new things about their behavior. Weekends are really the only time I can simply sit and watch their shenanigans. Kiger figured out foraging under the crinkle paper and that there is millet between the balsa wood blocks on one of the new toys. I'm surprised by how quickly they took to the new toys. I got them Friday night and Saturday they were already working away at the bird kabob (#1 favorite toy in our household) and by Sunday Max was 'courting' the balsa blocks to another toy. By that night Kiger was working on destroying the very same balsa blocks. This is the fastest they have taken to accepting something new in their cage so far. It makes me happy seeing them being happy little budgies.

Fingers crossed, I am going to try and do some trick training tonight. Hopefully they will be in better moods tonight!

JoTaMi 02-27-2017 05:03 PM

sdodo, thank you for your thread. I am following it and find it not only interesting but useful when playing with my birds also. :)

sdodo 02-28-2017 11:44 AM

JoTaMi, your welcome :)

Update!
So its a my bad for putting off working with them on tricks for a while (a week...). I did really need to take a step back and work on getting them out of their main cage without it being an issue. Still am working with them on that but the only time we are not ok with stepping up is getting out of the bed time cage and I think that is only because Its dark at that point.
Anyway Max is back to his old self of not going after the pointer. So last night we took several steps back to simply having him move around the play stand to touch the pointer. Max being Max will touch the pointer *clicky/praise but no treat* move the pointer a little farther away and ask for him to touch again....we will look at it....look at it some more...slowly shimmy closer and stretch the neck out to touch *clicky/praise and treat*. I wonder if I should look into finding other treats for him. I am wondering if I should look into something that might motivate him more...while he does eat millet, he even eye pins when he sees millet he isn't as motivated by millet as Kiger. I'm taking ideas!

Speaking of Kiger...I can not get over how cute it is when he waves. However! we are waving (or turning around...) when I am asking for upside down! I had to think but the motions for each trick are different, and he does respond to the commands when I ask him to do any other known trick...I guess its the association any trick=treat! Correct me on this thinking but I'm guessing this is just something he will learn in time, Word/gesture= specific trick = treat!
So with that all said, we are still working on 'upside down' :) He is getting better, he just is VERY food motivated. While I think that helps him put a and b together quickly It might also be playing a role in the random 'wave' when I ask for 'upside down'.:dunno:

sdodo 03-03-2017 10:41 AM

So, lesson learned, if its after 6:30, its unlikely that I am going to get much done with ether bird. I did learn that Max will go down the ladder...when he wants to be done with clicker training and be with Kiger. On the flip side Kiger will just fly off when he is done. We managed upside down once I think before Kiger opted it would be better to be with Max.

So a question about my two favorite little flirts. When should I be worried about spring and hormonal birds? Should I remove anything with reflective surfaces (bells) for the time being? I recall reading that even with males if their hormones are going to run rampant for to long (past the typical season for this...) there can be health issues. Should I stick to veggies and veggies only (no sprouts) until they cool down a bit. Should I just wait and see for now? This is brand new uncharted territory for me as a budgie owner so I'm not sure what to do. :)

FaeryBee 03-03-2017 06:43 PM

I'd wait and see before changing toys.
If either of them become obsessed with a particular toy and are regurgitating to it frequently, then it will be best to remove it.
Out of my current seven males, only one of them gave me concerns on that score and all toys with any sort of mirror had to be removed from the cage permanently.

There is no reason to stop feeding sprouts -- sprouts are very healthy.
What you will want to do when they come into condition is limit the amount of protein (egg food) in their diet.

You can also limit daylight hours if necessary.

sdodo 03-06-2017 10:28 AM

ok :)
Nether boy is feeding anything aside from each other, and that is Kiger feeding Max. To my surprise we were much chiller this weekend then last. I moved things around Saturday night and Sunday they were far more interested in destroying the bird Kabob that was easier to get to this time round.

They are going after the mineral block a whole lot more then normal. I will keep an eye on them for now, this week is veggies. I rotate sprouts and veggies depending on the week. I'm glad I don't need to worry about the sprouts. They prefer sprouts over all other things except for dry seeds...and millet.

Anyway I will try and do some clicker training tonight. I'm not sure how I will pull it off but I might try and get a picture of Kiger waving and share the cuteness!

sdodo 03-07-2017 10:02 AM

So the magic combination to have a successful training session is bird 1 on play stand, bird 2 in carrier within sight of bird 1. Not in spare cage, not in bed time cage, not in the play area... only in the carrier.

With that done (kiger in the carrier Max on the stand) We had an interesting night. Max went down the ladder!!!!!!! Three time even! Each time followed by going back up the ladder. I'm so proud of the little dude. That was interrupted by him having an issue with the millet...he started shaking his head and adjusting his crop. It freaked me out. It passed, I guess the seeds didn't sit well in his crop? He was back to normal shortly after so I don't know...

Kiger is doing what Kiger does best. Being adorable. I took a video of him on my phone but short of uploading it to YouTube I don't know how I'd post it here... We are getting better about upside-down. I need to work on shake with him. He isn't nearly as sure bout what I want him to do with shake then he is with wave.
I am starting Max toward learning upside down as well. We shall see how this goes.

FaeryBee 03-07-2017 10:49 AM

You are amazing!!
How great that you've figured out the perfect arrangement of the two budgies for their training sessions.
I'm in total awe of you for bringing them both along so far so quickly. Well done!

sdodo 03-08-2017 01:20 PM

Thank you FaeryBee :)

With how fast Kiger is learning I'm trying to keep a going list of what I want to work towards with him. Max basically is just following what Kiger has learned, just at his own slower pace. I think once he gets going around the perch down I might try to get him to start working on a flat surface (cage top). That alone might be a challenge knowing how easily distracted Kiger is. From there I think I will work toward 'roll over' and picking things up/retrieving things. In the mean time I need to work on my own discipline to teach them to do 'wings up' on command. I just struggle to catch them in the act. Might need a second clicker to have by their main cage so I can start associating the word/act with treat...something like that.
Anyway I might do some training tonight, we will see depending on how things play out with the rest of the day and their mood tonight.

sdodo 03-14-2017 11:37 AM

Its been a while. I did try working with Max and Kiger last week but nether was in the mood for much. Real life stuff kinda exploded and I just have not had the energy of late to do more then let them out to fly around.

So instead of an training update I am going to mention something I saw the other day.
Some backstory for anyone who doesn't know. Kiger was a pet store bird. I got him almost a year ago (1 year in May). At that time he did not have baby bars, and had a very blue cere, and he had dark eyes as in no visible iris. (one could be seen if you took a picture with flash but that was it.) Fast forward 4 months and I adopt Max, the stray. Max is clearly over a year old (even if the place I adopted him from stated he was 6 months) He has very defined white irises. It was with Max that I first saw what eye pinning was (got to say it freaked me out a bit at first). So now lets speak on the matter at hand. I witnessed Kiger pinning his eyes at me the other day. He in his cage and was over by my chair, singing dancing and doing everything that is his way of begging for a treat. I noticed something with his eyes. When he wasn't dancing all over the place I realized he has dark gray irises, and was pinning his eyes at me. The eye pinning part isn't all that surprising. Kiger loves the treats. What surprised me was I could see the eye pinning, and in turn if I look and he is still long enough I can see the gray irises. A very small part of me is sad he doesn't have the cute black baby eyes I loved, but he still is adorable (and he knows it). Could this be a recent development? Or am I just oblivious/he only recently started pinning his eyes? I am curious.

I plan on training tonight if the two little goofs work with me. There is always the possibility they wont be in the mood. :)

StarlingWings 03-14-2017 06:03 PM

They sound adorable; I'm glad that they're doing well!

As budgies age (provided they aren't of a genetic mutation that causes them to never develop irises, such as recessive pied), their irises fade in to dark grey, then medium grey, then light grey, etc. These stages can take different times depending on the budgie. My girl also took a while to develop her "big girl" irises; hers were finally developed by the time she was a year and a half old.

I would say you're only just able to see that his eyes are transitioning to grey irises! :D

sdodo 03-15-2017 12:18 PM

StarlingWings, that's good to know. Thank you :)

So we managed to get some training done last night. Now we will see if this helps tomorrow when I work with them again but I work with Kiger first, while Max stays in the carrier. Kiger doesn't get bored or distracted and Max can get himself worked up for his turn (In theory) It worked out last night. Kiger did his usual routine. I foucesed on 'wave' and having him only wave on command. I am sure he has figured out that 'wave' is one of those tricks that human thinks is absolutely the cutest thing ever and as such he is quite willing to repeatedly do the trick even when he isn't prompted. The same goes for his 'dance'.
Kigers dance is him looking up and whipping his head from side to side. He will do this when he is happy about something like he just got millet. Part of me worries that its something I should be concerned about but he is otherwise fine so I let him do his thing.
Anyway so we did that and upside down. He is getting better about upside down but needs a bit more time before we move on to loop.

Then there is Max. Poor little Max. I think I might just need to shelf the work on the ladder. He has gone down it, he has gone down it to touch the pointer and to be a stinker and get to Kiger. However, now its scary once more. He made it half way down at one point last night before deciding, nope not doing this, and going right on back up to the perch. I did notice a tell when he is considering the idea. I will ask him to touch the pointer farther down the ladder from the perch and he will 'touch' the wood around him, so a wooden bead to another part of the play stand, a central post, maybe a wrung of the ladder. When none of that gets a response he then will start down the ladder/lean to touch the pointer. I worked on shake and 'up' commands with him instead last night.
I'm not sure what to think. I might try and find something else he might like as a treat to entice him more.
So that is where we are at. :) Progress is being made in its own way. We will see if this game plan of having Kiger go first with training will work consistently. Fingers crossed!

sdodo 03-17-2017 11:49 AM

Update time.

The new arrangement appears to be working so far. Kiger goes first with training, he is becoming more reliable about upside down. We are now doing 'upside down' clicky, 'touch' (pointer is farther back behind the perch causing him to start the loop around the perch) clicky and treat. He got tired of that fairly quickly though and opted to drop down to the bottom of the play stand and look for fallen bits of millet. So I moved the pay stand away and started working on the concept of working on a flat surface. That didn't go over well. I'll give it time and some more work.

So Mr. Max...I am still trying to figure out what is blocking him from the idea of doing anything with the ladder. I think its in part something to do with the pointer itself. Its a transparent red acrylic stick basically. I might try looking into a different kind of pointer, to see if that might work better with him. In the mean time for 'touch' tricks (ladder/upside down) I am going to just work on having him reliably move about the perch area without hesitation. Right now he has a tendency to hesitate for looong moments before starting to lean toward the pointer and eventually touch it. In the meantime I am going to work on things that I don't use the pointer for like 'shake' and 'wave'. Max already knows 'shake' fairly well so we started on 'wave' last night. :D
Its adorable!

I am continually amazed and amused by these two. Careful serious business Max will politely hop up onto my hand when asked. Kiger...well we need to work on that. Max while he likes millet will not be the one standing as close as he can to the human from inside the cage, signing/dancing (begging) for millet. You will also not see Max sprinting across the bottom of the cage the moment you hold some millet up to the cage bars. On the other hand Kiger will do all of the above for millet.

sdodo 03-22-2017 11:01 AM

update

I should have known better about trying to work with Max and Kiger last night. I had a less then ideal day yesterday and so by the time I got home I was not nearly as energetic as I could have been for training. Kiger wasn't particularly cooperative, he got part way through training when he decided he wanted to go somewhere else.
Things went better with Max. He is figuring out 'wave' now, and we are working on 'touch' the pointer. Granted, he will only go so far on the perch to 'touch' the pointer, we wont go past the center post on their play stand.

A total side note, everyone (being both boys) are molting out another set of feathers. Kiger dropped a bunch of flight feathers and Max dropped one of his two broken long tail feathers. I'm not concerned about Kiger, but Max is the one with the feather problems. His medium tail feathers grew in well so these should as well. Max will finally have a tail again! His right wing is still an issue, he is growing in another feather now. I just need to keep an eye on him. I can only hope that this new feather wont be as rigid as the others have been. Fingers crossed he will keep this one!

FaeryBee 03-22-2017 11:19 AM

Wishing both Max and Kliger all the best with their molts.
All my birds are molting at this time too.
With 12 of them, I have feathers everywhere!!

sdodo 03-27-2017 11:28 AM

Update
Well, I didn't get to do much last week. I managed to eek out some time and work with Max and Kiger Saturday. Kiger did not want to have anything to do with clicker training but Max did. He was responsive to the touch command shake and we are getting better at 'wave'. :)
Kiger is a bit of a ragamuffin right now. Little dude has molted out a few of the feathers between his beak and eyes.
https://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/...psrtrwjn7m.jpg

Max tolerated me taking a picture of him.
https://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1229q2zt.jpg

I'm a little worried about how they both look (Kiger's a bit rough around the eyes, and Max's cere) but I'm thinking its just their molt. So that's where we are at.

FaeryBee 03-27-2017 08:01 PM

Great pictures.
They both look fine and any concerns you have are due to their molts. :hug:

sdodo 03-28-2017 02:13 PM

Thanks :)

So I am debating what to do. I have noticed Kiger being more of a stinker about training. The last two sessions he has wanted nothing to do with me, the millet or clicker training. That was Saturday and last night. Max has been less interested but I can still get a few tricks done with him. The thing is though, Max is only growing in 2 new feathers (tail and right wing) Where Kiger lost something like 3/4 clipped feathers and a medium tail feather. I don't blame the little guy for not wanting to play. That's a lot of hard work growing in all those new feathers.
Should I give Kiger a break from training for now until he has his A game back? Should I keep going as it and hope this is just a mood that will pass in a day or two? Or something else all together?

FaeryBee 03-28-2017 04:51 PM

I'd suggest maybe just try a bit shorter session when his energy level seems to be at its peak.
If he still isn't interested then wait until his molt is over to give him time to recuperate.

sdodo 03-29-2017 11:04 AM

Update
I was able to work with them a little bit last night. Nothing much. Max is good about the touch command at first but eventually will start to ignore the pointer and preen instead. He is getting better about waving and he is a pro at 'shake'. I love how Max has gotten comfortable with hopping up onto my hand from the carrier, and then will hop down onto the sea grass matt or into the bed time cage.

Kiger at first wasn't keen on training. So I put him in the carrier and worked with Max. When I was done with Max (or rather he was done for the night) I brought Kiger out for one last try before putting them to bed. We did 'wave' and some touch command work but nothing else. That's fine. I think I will work with him as he is willing to participate, and in the meantime focus more on Max.

A funny story about Kiger. So there is this swing, Zoo-Max Cotton Ring Bird Toy (Small), that for the longest time they ignored or only used to get from point a to point b. Well a few weeks ago I had it back in their main cage. We (boyfriend and I) were going out for the evening, it was too early to put them to bed so I partially covered the cage, turned most of the lights off and left the t.v on for them. When we got home I was treated to seeing Kiger using the swing as a sleeping spot, however. He had chosen to sleep on top of the loop, not in it. Boyfriends comment was 'that's not how you use that buddy...' Anyway its in their bed time cage now and Kiger will go between sleeping in the loop and on top of it. I am thrilled to have that since it cuts back on the bickering over who sleeps where. Max now has his rope perch spot and Kiger has his beloved swing. Now they only squeaky toy (my description of that warning noise they make before bickering) at each other if Max gets close to Kiger's swing ether inside the cage or outside. Just something cute I wanted to share. :)

FaeryBee 03-29-2017 12:22 PM

Good for Kliger for finding his own special sleeping spots! :thumbsup:

My little Scooter often chooses to sleep on top of the swings instead of on the perch portion of them. Sometimes on the top of a swing a different budgie is perched on. ;)

sdodo 03-31-2017 01:44 PM

Update

So...I am going to go with giving Kiger a break from training until he has his feathers in. I might try to work on touch commands when I can with him but that is a maybe.

Now I am wondering what to do with Mr. Max.
He is rather...temperamental about if he will touch the pointer or just look at it. If I really think about it I am starting to believe its the pointer. He will 'wave' and he is good with 'shake', both are tricks where I use my hand as a signal for what I want him to do. Those are tricks he is doing a good job learning. That leads me to think that Max does better with hand signals over following a pointer.
That gives me a lead of some sort but I'm still kinda at a loss for where to go with it. As always I am open to suggestions. :)

FaeryBee 04-01-2017 04:57 PM

I believe that following your instincts when it comes to Max and Kliger's training is serving you very well.
You know your budgies' temperaments and personalities better than anyone and can easily adjust your methods as necessary.

Keep up the good work with them! :urock:


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