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Default Is this early onset of scaly face?

Clouds is 6 months old or so :no older for sure) he is pure aviary and has only been with us for 2 weeks.

I think I'm seeing a change happen around his cere and beak. Is this scaly face or just dryness/vitamin defficiency?

At the moment he's still refusing to touch anything but his seeds. The only green stuff he has are seeds from winter grass we pick for him in our garden.

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It's hard to say, if there is a bit of mites along the bottom of his cere then it is VERY early, if you can catch him you can rub a tiny bit of olive oil on his cere and beak.. That will help for either mites or dryness.
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Cloud is a lovely budgie that is for sure, I agree rub some olive oil around his cere and be careful not to get it in his nares.
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Dee,

The others have addressed your question regarding Scaly Mites so I'll offer some information which may be helpful regarding Vitamin Deficiencies and the use of ACV as a probiotic.

Are you giving your birds ACV in their water? It is great natural probiotic.
Holistic/Natural Remedies [Articles] - Talk Budgies Forums

Other supplements you may wish to consider:
Guardian Angel (Supplement for sick or stressed birds)
Guardian Angel from The Bird Care Company

Soluvite D (Vitamin D supplement for birds who get limited sunlight)
https://www.ladygouldianfinch.com/product_soluvited.php

This article outlines the importance of specific Vitamins for Budgies:
https://talkbudgies.com/diet-nutritio...dgerigars.html

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It's hard to say, if there is a bit of mites along the bottom of his cere then it is VERY early, if you can catch him you can rub a tiny bit of olive oil on his cere and beak.. That will help for either mites or dryness.
That sounds like a good suggestion, thank you. I'll give it a go and see how it progresses in the next few days.

Unfortunately the only avian vet in our region has just been bereaved and is therefore out if action for an undetermined amount of time. Otherwise I would have been able to get Coulds a proper health check.

Is the olive oil rub a daily thing or just a one off?
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Cloud is a lovely budgie that is for sure, I agree rub some olive oil around his cere and be careful not to get it in his nares.
Thanks for the nice comment. We are very fond of him too. Catching him shouldn't be an issue as he is so keen to step on his each nowadays. For the last two days he's also been doing it on my finger and loves his free flying time around his 'tree'.

While our vet is on a leave of absence, I have been able to obtain a dilution of eprinex, to apply as a spot at the back of his head once a week for three weeks. Should I do it anyway just as safety or wait until we're sure that it's a parasite?
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Dee,

The others have addressed your question regarding Scaly Mites so I'll offer some information which may be helpful regarding Vitamin Deficiencies and the use of ACV as a probiotic.

Are you giving your birds ACV in their water? It is great natural probiotic.
Holistic/Natural Remedies [Articles] - Talk Budgies Forums

Other supplements you may wish to consider:
Guardian Angel (Supplement for sick or stressed birds)
Guardian Angel from The Bird Care Company

Soluvite D (Vitamin D supplement for birds who get limited sunlight)
Lady Gouldian Finch .com - Soluvite D

This article outlines the importance of specific Vitamins for Budgies:
https://talkbudgies.com/diet-nutritio...dgerigars.html


Hi Deborah and thank you for the wealth of information you always provide. I'll have a look at all this today as soon as I've sorted breakfast and lunches for the family.

If you have any suggestions regarding my two other questions (olive oil how often and for how long and treatment provided by other vert) please do not hesitate to share.
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That sounds like a good suggestion, thank you. I'll give it a go and see how it progresses in the next few days.

Unfortunately the only avian vet in our region has just been bereaved and is therefore out if action for an undetermined amount of time. Otherwise I would have been able to get Coulds a proper health check.

Is the olive oil rub a daily thing or just a one off?
I would do it daily for a while... If it is mites the oil will smother them. Check his feet and vent too as those places are also areas affected by the scaly face mite. You just need a tiny smear, you don't need to wet it. Be careful not to get it in his nares.
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I would do it daily for a while... If it is mites the oil will smother them. Check his feet and vent too as those places are also areas affected by the scaly face mite. You just need a tiny smear, you don't need to wet it. Be careful not to get it in his nares.
Awesome. Will do that. Thanks!
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We finally managed to see the avian vet this morning. After trying in vain to get Clouds onto a tiny transport cage that had been lent to us, and since I didn't want to have to grab him again one way or another (next time, next time) I finally gave up and decided that the best option was to get him in his big cage and bring the whole setup to the vet. Téo, who was home sick from school, helped a lot and kept Clouds reassured (somewhat) during the 25 minute drive.

The vet couldn't say whether the (still) dry patch at the base of his cere was scaly face mites but then she looked at his feet and showed me the telltale little pinkish patches. Since we'd already done 2 weekly application of an eprinex solution, she told us to continue doing so for another week and said we should be fine after that. Yay and teepee!


She said his cere would go back to normal on its own once the mites were gone.

Now I need to track the breeder that we got Clouds from in order to let them know about the scaly face. The chairman of the local budgie club has already offered to help with that. It is impossible to say whether the breeder has a scaly face problem. After all, Clouds had been at a bird show for a couple of days when we took him home. He was stuck with two other birds in a tiny cage amongst a wall of dozens of such tiny cages. He could easily have got contaminated then.

It would also be interesting to have a chat with the breeder about what they give to their aviary birds so as to understand better why Clouds came to us as such a seed junkie...

Our vet explained that New Zealanders seemed to be very far behind in terms of bird nutrition and that most people (lots of breeders included, unfortunately) believe that all that budgies need is a seed diet.

In fact, two weeks agor, the 'bird specialist' at our pet store told me that budgies didn't need anything else than seeds and explained that what I read on the internet (meaning on this forum) was just typical 'American food-fad nonsense'. It makes me giggle to think of the comments this is going to get

Other than that, she didn't find anything wrong with him but commented that he was very quiet for a budgie. I don't what you guys think but from a bird who's still settling in his new family and has just been put, cage and all, into a strange moving thing that makes a lot of noise, then hauled into a strange place and has a strange person staring at him through the bars of his cage, I really wonder what else should be expected?

Anyway, pleased that this ordeal is over. Clouds made the trip back into the tiny transport cage. He did not appreciate that at all and kept chewing on the bars (not such a quiet budgie anymore). As soon as we came back, we put him back in his cage, close to us but not too close, cage covered on three sides. Téo read to us quietly for a while.

Clouds must have been very disoriented because as soon as he came out of his tiny box, he went for the pellets and had a feed Completely forgot that he didn't like them
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