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Lucky and I went to a new vet today. About two days ago, his legs and feet became really weak all of the sudden, and he now has difficulty walking and climbing. His current weight is 30 g. The beginning of this year it was 33 g, during the fall it was 38 g, and in May 2015 it was 32 g. We've been through a lot of ups and downs this past year.

He has been very sleepy and likes to lie his whole body and head down while resting. He's been chewing on the cuttlebone and drinking water more than usual. When he does have energy, he sings, eats, and chews on his toys. It seems like even though he is eating properly, he might not be absorbing nutrients as well.

The vet took an x-ray of him and saw quite a bit of thick tissue where his lungs are located, so that's making it harder for him to breathe. He has some gout beginning to develop in his feet and legs, but doesn't seem to have any in his body at the moment. His gastrointestinal tract was empty. The vet thinks that there is a large tumor near his kidneys and genitals that is contributing to his leg weakness. The vet says it's not a good idea to get a blood sample to do further testing, since he is weak and underweight. He said injection of steroids may improve the tissue around the lungs and possibly shrink the tumors a bit, but there is a risk of damaging his kidneys, and the improvement will probably last for weeks before things go downhill again.

Right now, I think it is best not to do any invasive procedures until his weight and energy are back up. What is an ideal weight for him to be at?

I'm planning on adding probiotics to his water and trying to get him to eat more pellets and less seeds. I've been giving him boiled egg, adding milk thistle/dandelion extract to his water almost every day, and using apple cider vinegar once in a while as well. I just bought a vitamin/mineral supplement I can add on occasion, so hopefully it can help him absorb nutrients. He'll be eating more dandelion now that it is spring.

It's heartbreaking to see a pet you grew up with in deteriorating condition. He's a senior budgie, so it's to be expected that his health won't be what it used to be, but it doesn't make it easier to accept that. I hope he can fight on and be healthier again!

If you guys have any natural remedies to improve these issues, advice on what to try or do differently, or have recommendations for flat perches, I'm all ears. Thank you guys for the support and insight over the past year!
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I'm so sorry about your sweet budgie.you can use gnotgrass to help reduce swelling and it works great.they can eat all they want.it has helped some other budgies recently.Sending healing and comforting prayers for your budgie.please keep us posted.also you can make a small ramp wher3 it can be attached to the bottom perch.make the perch flat about 4inches wide.and put soft cloth on the bottom incase it falls.I'm sure someone will have some wonderful ideas to help as well.blessings.we're here if you need us......p.s. I think you're doing a good thing wanting to help him.I truly hope soon he can recover as best as it can.
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I'm really sorry about Lucky. I hope he's better soon.
My budgie has a kidney tumor.
I added the knotgrass to my budgie diet. I also added vinegar with the mother.
My granddaughter and I work with him daily. He's able to use his right foot now!
He's back to playing and talking.

The knotgrass does help.
https://talkbudgies.com/diseases-illn...lp-tumors.html
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I'm so sorry to hear about Lucky's deteriorating condition

I know you're doing a wonderful job with him and are helping him to feel as comfortable as possible. Pegg and Shane have offered good advise regarding alternative treatments that might help little Lucky to feel better.

Keep us posted on his condition! I hope things get better for him soon.
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I hope Lucky is up and feeling better soon!
Here's the link for vinegar with the mother
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I'm so very sorry to hear this

Lucky sure is lucky to have you there for him though .

I give you my best wishes for the healing of little Lucky.

Keep us updated, we are here for you guys!
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Aw geez, pocketbudgie, I am so sorry to hear that Lucky is not doing so well. Hang in there, I know it isn't easy watching your little guy go through a difficult time.

Members here have offered you well wishes and a holistic avenue you may want to try at this time with introducing knotgrass which I believe is available as a dried herb online and in health food stores. Some who have used it say it has made a significant difference. It may not be a cure but it may just be preventative and give your budgie a bit more time to hang out and have fun with you and his buddies. And, it doesn't hurt and they can eat as much as they want.

So, since you are under the care of an Avian vet, I am going to offer some thoughts on a couple of things. Let's start with introducing pellets or changing from seed to pellets. At this point, the safe thing to do is maintain his seed diet and slowly introduce pellets. I recommend for sick or older birds Harrison's Mash -- it is full of what they need and easy to eat and on the digestive system. Try to see if you can find Harrison's Bird Pellets -- Mash or the High Potency Superfine for small birds. Depending on whether your budgie will eat pellets or not, they usually still can be fussy around small pellets. Mine are and they still prefer that I crush their pellets in a bowl because, you know, they are so fussy which is why I recommend either the mash or high potency superfine form.

What I usually do is still maintain the seed in their dish, Hagens regular and gourmet mixed together, then I add a couple of tablespoons of semi-crushed Harrison's to give it a bit of mash like consistency. I sprinkle a heaping amount on top and then, on top of that, I sprinkle a small helping of dried greens or herbs. That usually does it for my birds, but, most importantly, you want to make sure you are not taking away a source of food when they may not be eating full pellets.

If you are not going to use Harrison's or can't get it for some reason, although most all avian vets will carry it or order it in for you, and you want to try something else, it is still important to mash it up well. It is just easier for a bird in Lucky's condition to eat and digest it. Monitor the food as you go along making sure he is eating.

Like anything, you are doing the best you can and trying some new things, but even new things have to be done in moderation. For example, make sure you have done your research on milk thistle and dandelion extract. Both good products and useful, however, always in moderation and you want to make sure they wouldn't cancel each other out. For example, and this is a generalization, raw organic spinach and broccoli are calcium binding which is why hens should eat very little when they are in egg production. They need their calcium so that eggs are healthy, mature, and reduces egg-binding fatalities.

Your budgie's body is going through ups and downs. Apple cider vinegar is a great way to get the gut balance in check so every once in awhile is fine. You definitely want to maintain his vitamin levels as much as you can, having vitamins and minerals available to him in his water or on wet greens only and only if he is able to eat any greens at this time. Seeing as how he likes his egg food, that's a good opportunity to sprinkle a bit of V and M on it.

As far as probiotics are concerned, I've never tried it, but normally, and it is my understanding, that it is often used shortly after antibiotic treatment. It won't hurt your budgie, but if you are using apple cider vinegar, V and M, extracts and alternative pellets with seed while introducing as much fresh soft organic veggies or fruit, I think what you are doing is more than enough to give Lucky a healthier and hopefully happier outcome. And perhaps focus on introducing the knotgrass instead of the probiotic as suggested by other members.

Good luck to Lucky and do the best you can as it seems like you are already and definitely keep us posted. I am hoping for the best despite his condition.
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I'm so sorry that little Lucky is having so many problems.
I would definitely recommend using the ACV and knotgrass.

Pegg and bluewing have both offered you good advice.

Windy City Parrots has some nice platform perches you could consider for little Lucky.

Prevue Pet Shelf Perch | Shelf Perch for Handicapped birds

Flat Manzanita Perches help birds feet rest comfortably

Please be sure to keep us updated on Lucky's condition.
I'm sending healing energy, positive thoughts and many prayers for your little fellow.
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Thank you guys for the advice and support. Lucky was still a bit sleepy today, but he is in pretty good spirits and determined not to let anything hamper his mobility. He is currently scurrying around on the floor and flapping a bit to help take the weight off his legs while he moves around.

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I'm so sorry about your sweet budgie.you can use gnotgrass to help reduce swelling and it works great.they can eat all they want.it has helped some other budgies recently.Sending healing and comforting prayers for your budgie.please keep us posted.also you can make a small ramp wher3 it can be attached to the bottom perch.make the perch flat about 4inches wide.and put soft cloth on the bottom incase it falls.I'm sure someone will have some wonderful ideas to help as well.blessings.we're here if you need us......p.s. I think you're doing a good thing wanting to help him.I truly hope soon he can recover as best as it can.
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I'm really sorry about Lucky. I hope he's better soon.
My budgie has a kidney tumor.
I added the knotgrass to my budgie diet. I also added vinegar with the mother.
My granddaughter and I work with him daily. He's able to use his right foot now!
He's back to playing and talking.

The knotgrass does help.
https://talkbudgies.com/diseases-illn...lp-tumors.html
Oh my goodness, I wish I heard about knotgrass earlier! Definitely going to get some for him.

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Aw geez, pocketbudgie, I am so sorry to hear that Lucky is not doing so well. Hang in there, I know it isn't easy watching your little guy go through a difficult time.

Members here have offered you well wishes and a holistic avenue you may want to try at this time with introducing knotgrass which I believe is available as a dried herb online and in health food stores. Some who have used it say it has made a significant difference. It may not be a cure but it may just be preventative and give your budgie a bit more time to hang out and have fun with you and his buddies. And, it doesn't hurt and they can eat as much as they want.

So, since you are under the care of an Avian vet, I am going to offer some thoughts on a couple of things. Let's start with introducing pellets or changing from seed to pellets. At this point, the safe thing to do is maintain his seed diet and slowly introduce pellets. I recommend for sick or older birds Harrison's Mash -- it is full of what they need and easy to eat and on the digestive system. Try to see if you can find Harrison's Bird Pellets -- Mash or the High Potency Superfine for small birds. Depending on whether your budgie will eat pellets or not, they usually still can be fussy around small pellets. Mine are and they still prefer that I crush their pellets in a bowl because, you know, they are so fussy which is why I recommend either the mash or high potency superfine form.

What I usually do is still maintain the seed in their dish, Hagens regular and gourmet mixed together, then I add a couple of tablespoons of semi-crushed Harrison's to give it a bit of mash like consistency. I sprinkle a heaping amount on top and then, on top of that, I sprinkle a small helping of dried greens or herbs. That usually does it for my birds, but, most importantly, you want to make sure you are not taking away a source of food when they may not be eating full pellets.

If you are not going to use Harrison's or can't get it for some reason, although most all avian vets will carry it or order it in for you, and you want to try something else, it is still important to mash it up well. It is just easier for a bird in Lucky's condition to eat and digest it. Monitor the food as you go along making sure he is eating.

Like anything, you are doing the best you can and trying some new things, but even new things have to be done in moderation. For example, make sure you have done your research on milk thistle and dandelion extract. Both good products and useful, however, always in moderation and you want to make sure they wouldn't cancel each other out. For example, and this is a generalization, raw organic spinach and broccoli are calcium binding which is why hens should eat very little when they are in egg production. They need their calcium so that eggs are healthy, mature, and reduces egg-binding fatalities.

Your budgie's body is going through ups and downs. Apple cider vinegar is a great way to get the gut balance in check so every once in awhile is fine. You definitely want to maintain his vitamin levels as much as you can, having vitamins and minerals available to him in his water or on wet greens only and only if he is able to eat any greens at this time. Seeing as how he likes his egg food, that's a good opportunity to sprinkle a bit of V and M on it.

As far as probiotics are concerned, I've never tried it, but normally, and it is my understanding, that it is often used shortly after antibiotic treatment. It won't hurt your budgie, but if you are using apple cider vinegar, V and M, extracts and alternative pellets with seed while introducing as much fresh soft organic veggies or fruit, I think what you are doing is more than enough to give Lucky a healthier and hopefully happier outcome. And perhaps focus on introducing the knotgrass instead of the probiotic as suggested by other members.

Good luck to Lucky and do the best you can as it seems like you are already and definitely keep us posted. I am hoping for the best despite his condition.
Thanks for the detailed answers! Definitely going to try the knotgrass. I currently have Harrison's High Potency Superfine and he willingly eats it from time to time, but still eats more seeds than he should, so I'll try crushing the pellets and putting them in the seeds like how you do. Can't be too picky when you're trying to recover!

Lucky had been on antibiotics in the past and the vet recommended probiotics, so maybe I'll add some to the water every other week and keep doing ACV once a week. I hope he'll be happy to have his own personal chef!

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I'm so sorry that little Lucky is having so many problems.
I would definitely recommend using the ACV and knotgrass.

Pegg and bluewing have both offered you good advice.

Windy City Parrots has some nice platform perches you could consider for little Lucky.

Prevue Pet Shelf Perch | Shelf Perch for Handicapped birds

Flat Manzanita Perches help birds feet rest comfortably

Please be sure to keep us updated on Lucky's condition.
I'm sending healing energy, positive thoughts and many prayers for your little fellow.
Thanks, those perches look comfortable! It's too bad they're not self-cleaning, someone needs to invent a smart-perch that does that someday!
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Thanks for the detailed answers! Definitely going to try the knotgrass. I currently have Harrison's High Potency Superfine and he willingly eats it from time to time, but still eats more seeds than he should, so I'll try crushing the pellets and putting them in the seeds like how you do. Can't be too picky when you're trying to recover!
Just be sure to add the crushed pellets on the top of her seeds...sprinkled or a generous mound of pellet mash to get her started. Don't mix it around and in with the seed. You want her to work for her seed by having to eat and work through the mashed pellets so that is the first thing to attract her. A few dried herbs or dried bird greens on top of that might really delight her, or add the knotgrass on top to as her herb greens to get her excited about that too.

Monitor what she eats and for every helping, give her her seeds but don't fill it too much so that once she starts pecking through her dish, she will have to eat her mash, too.

Happy budgie trails! I am rooting for the both of you and good luck with your treatment plan. You are doing great!

By the way, Lucky is a beautiful and strong little budgie. He is doing his best to still stay strong and get around. All the best to this little guy!
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