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Old 07-14-2016, 02:07 PM
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Question Munchkin has a tail bob and sleeps a lot

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My budgie Munchkin has been a bit under the weather, sleeping a lot, not vocalising and he has a slight tail bob. He has been to the vets twice now, once to my regular vets, and once to an avian vets.

My regular vet prescribed baytril, he had a full course of this but it did not right the problem. The avian vet gave him synulox and this has not worked either, this vet informed me that doing diagnostic work on Munchkin could be hard as he is a juvenile budgie under a year old so taking bloods might induce anaemia, unless a very small amount was taking each time, making a full blood count really hard to do, which is what is really needed for diagnostics. He gave him a physical check over and there are no other signs of physical illness, no lumps or bumps etc. During the time on these meds we would have some good days when he seemed more energetic, then some off days. I have noticed that sometimes he perks up after a bath??

At the moment his feathers are good, I think he might have had a moult recently as we had lots of fluffy feathers everywhere a few weeks ago, his nares are clean and his vent is clean too, he is eating and drinking as normal and still flies about, just this mystery fatigue and very mild tail bob.

Another thing I have discovered is that there was some dry mould in the room in which he was housed (he's been moved now and the room thoroughly cleaned), could this be the cause?

Do any of the budgie veteran owners out there have any ideas or suggestions? We are going back to the vets tomorrow and I would like to go armed with some ideas. My thoughts are as follows.

1. parasites external?
2. worms?
3. fungal infection?
4. will a poop assessment help?

I hope you can help.

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Sorry Munchkin is not feeling 100%. At a minimum I would have the vet check the droppings, that can reveal a lot and make sure it is checked for AGY (Avian Gastric Yeast a/k/a Megabacteria). Both the meds you have been given are antibiotics and will not be effective against something other than a bacteria. Did the vet check for air sac mites or do a crop swab?
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Hi, and welcome to Talk Budgies.

I'm sorry to hear little Moom isn't well and glad you are pursuing additional treatment with the Avian Vet.

All the concerns you listed are definitely things I would discuss with the vet.

I agree with Cody and the fact you mention there was mold in the room has me leaning toward the very real possibility of a fungal infection.

I'm wishing you and little Moom all the best and hope the Avian Vet will be able to get an accurate diagnosis.

Please be sure to update us on Moom's condition.
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Sorry Munchkin is not feeling 100%. At a minimum I would have the vet check the droppings, that can reveal a lot and make sure it is checked for AGY (Avian Gastric Yeast a/k/a Megabacteria). Both the meds you have been given are antibiotics and will not be effective against something other than a bacteria. Did the vet check for air sac mites or do a crop swab?
I am taking him back to the regular vets, the last time the vet attempted to do a crop swab she couldn't find anything small enough to use to complete it. What do vets normally use to do the crop swab on small birds? I will ask for a poop check though and ask her to scan it for AGY.

Out of interest what works best for AGY, I have heard it's hard to treat.
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Hi

I have tried a couple of avian vets in Berkshire (UK) but as yet I am to find The One, most of them have come from the list on Parrot Society but I'm still looking. My regular vet is pretty good and got my Cockatiel back to health when he was sick.
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Wishing all the best for your little one. I hope he can get an accurate diagnosis and treatment very soon .
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He really needs to be examined by an avian vet if possible, what colour are his poops? Are they runny or a normal consistency comprising two distinct parts? How is his breathing, is he breathing rapidly especially after flying or sitting still? Any noises when breathing?
You can try getting some probiotics to add to his food, these are great for any gastric problems. I use Veta Polly Aid, it is a powder and I sprinkle it over the seed. Apple Cider Vinegar is a natural probiotic you add a few drops to the drinking water but the vinegar must have Mother in it to be of benefit.
Please let us know how things go sending healing thoughts your way.
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He really needs to be examined by an avian vet if possible, what colour are his poops? Are they runny or a normal consistency comprising two distinct parts? How is his breathing, is he breathing rapidly especially after flying or sitting still? Any noises when breathing?
You can try getting some probiotics to add to his food, these are great for any gastric problems. I use Veta Polly Aid, it is a powder and I sprinkle it over the seed. Apple Cider Vinegar is a natural probiotic you add a few drops to the drinking water but the vinegar must have Mother in it to be of benefit.
Please let us know how things go sending healing thoughts your way.
Poops, are normal, good consistency and colour, two distinct parts. Breathing is good, no noises. I have added vitamin A drops to his water but I will try the other two recommendations.
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Munchkin update.

We went to the vets today, I noticed last night that his rung leg looked a little 'bruised' and that he was reluctant to put his weight on it. Today at the vets this was removed, underneath it did look a little bruised, which was surprising as the ring was very loose with plenty of movement, but I am hoping that it helps to make him a little brighter. We have also give him some lice/parasite treatment just to ensure that there is nothing going on there too. He has also been sent home with some metacam to help with the ouchy on his leg/foot. He had his first dose tonight.

I am going to keep a close eye on him over the weekend and see how he fares after these treatments. If he hasn't improved I will book to see a avian vets on Monday, I have spotted one on the Parrot Society page which is in Newbury, so not far from me. Hopefully they can help with some of the more complicated diagnostics should that be what he requires.

He is currently having a little snooze, he seems to have been napping on and off today but I am not surprised as a trip to the vets is quite stressful.
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