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Max is off to the vet tomorrow to be tested for French molt. I've done my reading (both here and via Google). Background: Max has been having lots of problems with his molt. At first he broke blood feathers (and I took care to stop the bleeding) ok, his wings were cut to short he doesn't fly very well. Then the next two feathers he grew in fell out, I want to say with at least the one I saw, he was flapping his wings but not flying and crashing, the other I never found where it fell out other than it was gone. Now I am really hoping the two he is growing in now will be ok but...
So we see the vet tomorrow. Nothing is confirmed yet but I am suspicious to TalkBudgie folk, talk at me about French molt in a pet (not intended to breed) budgie.
Two notes, he does live with Kiger. The vast majority of the time they get along in their large cage, they do have their moments when they want the other's food (they have their own separate dishes...) but those moments happen and they move on. No chasing, no bulling, just one not listening to the other when they don't want that one to be there at that moment. The other thing is I have read into French molt, its not a death sentence( at least with an adult bird) but I'm not sure what to expect past that.
Talk at me about this while I wait to hear from the vet.

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There are varying degrees of French moult and depending on the level of severity, budgies can lead perfectly normal lives.
With the proper diet specific for the case, it's possible to improve the feather condition and to keep it under control.

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Please take the time to review the information in this thread.

https://talkbudgies.com/articles-budg...n-control.html

Many people have/had budgies with french molt that have lived happy and active lives.
The budgie needs to be kept warm enough and fed a very healthy diet to help keep up their immune system.
Using probiotics for a budgie with French Molt is recommended.

We'll be interested t hear what the vet has to say.
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Thank you both for the replies.
So I brought Max in today along with the three feathers I have that were new and he lost. One that concerned her was a feather that came out with the pulp. So after she examined a very unhappy budgie she took a blood sample to test for Polyoma (virus?) and Beak & Feather Circovirus. I wont hear about the results until early next week.

In the meantime something I worry about is that he is not keeping his feathers because of something I've done. Both birds are treated to "spa time" where they are in the bathroom while I take a shower or I run a hot shower so they can enjoy the humidity, but the rest of my living space is not kept humid. (I want to get a humidifier but I lean towards a warm air humidifier but there is the concern about the heating elements releasing fumes like nonstick pans will) Max's wings were cut really short, he has not been able to fly since I got him and on occasion he will try to but knowing how dangerous that is for him he hasn't been given an opportunity to outside of the cage. Still given the chance he will try to fly and I know from experience that is a really good way for him to break his new feathers. I feel horribly for that whole thing. I've learned my lesson and I just want to help him get better now and move on.

Ether way Its a learning experience. It might be a hard one but one that I need to have happen all the same. I just want to Max to be ok.
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I'm so sorry you're going through this worry with Max right now. Waiting is the worst . Crossing fingers that it is just something more benign than a viral disease.

About the warm humidifier, (I don't use one, but I do use a space heater which blows like a fan) - chances are, a newer machine from most any brand is not going to use PTFE in their heating elements. Call the manufacturer for details, and they should be able to tell you what the components were made with/coated with. I did this with my new Black and Decker mini oven.
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Using a warm mist humidifier in the room where your budgies are housed is an excellent idea.
I use one and it helps both with respiration as well as feather condition.
The new ones are quite safe.

I wish your little Max all the best and will be looking forward to an update once you have his test results back from your Avian Vet.

My thoughts and prayers are with you.
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I'm sorry to hear about Max's feather loss

However, I admire all you're doing for him and agree that even if it is French moult, I know he will have a wonderful life with you and Kiger.

I look forward to hearing about the results!
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Thank you everyone.
FaeryBee, do you recommend any particular model/brand of warm mist humidifier?
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So I got a warm mist humidifier. Yay. But I have another worry. Boo.
Max has a thing about adjusting his crop. I have noticed a correlation between that and him starting to preen but not every time. Sometimes I will look over and see him doing it with nothing else going on as far as I can tell. Now my first worry is Mr. Max has been busted for picking at sisal ropes a while ago. He has since stopped doing that. He doesn't have issues eating or pooping, he has yet to vomit up anything...the vet did give him a clean bill of health...but I got the same thing with Kiger multiple times until he got really sick with GYI.
I intend to talk to the vet (again) about it when I hear from them Monday, but I wonder if anyone can talk me down a bit. IF it was an obstruction how would one tell? I'm watching for GYI as well since that was one of the off things Kiger did before he got really sick...
OR could this be nothing out of the norm and I am just on super high alert mode and need to calm down?

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Your Avian Vet would need to do X-rays to determine if Max has a crop impaction if you are really concerned about that.

When was Max last at the vet?
Continual adjusting of the crop can be an indication of a crop infection.
If Max only adjusted his cop occasionally, then there is generally no reason to be overly concerned.

With regard to AGY, you can start Max on a protocol of Sodium Benzoate as a preventative measure.
I use it for my birds and it helps tremendously.

https://talkbudgies.com/articles-budg...ric-yeast.html

Are you giving Max a probiotic on a regular basis?
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