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So our newest budgie Ophelia has been with us only since Wed.

She does not look sick she had an exam on Thursday which she checked out fine no parasites no bacteria nothing and they said she looks very healthy . She is eating and alert but typical budgie quietness as she is new and observing us.

Since Wednesday her urates have been white but today I noticed in the morning that they looked pale yellow.

I called the vet and they let me speak to a vet technician who said that sometimes urates can change color with introduction to a new diet . I was always told that urates don't change but the poo around that urates can change with the new diet . I've also heard that it if they're yellow it can mean liver issues .

She has nothing with food dye in her cage. She was given veggies for the first time probably in her life (Petco bird) in the AM. But I am unclear if she ate any at all. She is eating otherwise her millet and seed.

My questions for you guys are:

1) have you ever seen urates change in response to a new diet that does not Contain food dye?

Furthermore have you ever seen the urates change in response to stress or Newbird coming into the home, that clears up later?

The vet tech didn't think it was an emergency yet ( they only take emergency appointments today ) and said to come in on Monday if it was still there but just looking for how common it is for urates it's to change color. For example can stress do it?

Thanks so much

I attached two photos that show Ophelia' urates and at the top left corner is Tiki's poo with white urate. my thumb is next to Tiki's so you can see the difference in the color between him and Ophelia's.

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The urates shouldn't change really with food. Take your birdo to the vet and ask them about the liver. My Holly had liver problems, and sadly I didn't address them fast enough. If you are just seeing this, chances are it's fixable. Please take her to the vet, ASAP.
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Hmm. Now I feel worried. So I talked to one vet tech at our Avian vet and one at the afterhours one downtown and both said it is "possible" veggies could color urates but that it's hard to say. One tech said wait 12 hours and then if still there bring in maybe.

Her insurance hasn't kicked in yet with Nationwide. Should I take her to Petco for free treatment as Petco says says they will treat birds there if under 30 days of purchase? I feel like that place would have the worst care. Am I wrong?

If it is liver, how long do I have?? Have fast does that move?
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Try to be calm and keep on monitoring your budgie. If she's eating/drinking normally and you don't notice a steep decline on her energy levels, then the situation is not dire and there is no need to assume the worst will happen.
If by tomorrow her poops haven't changed back to normal, then you can book her an appointment with your trusted avian vet.

Personally, when it comes to the health of my pets, I prefer to go with a professional I already know and have trust on. So, I wouldn't be going back to the store for my pet to be seen by a different professional.

I'm wishing your new budgie girl all the best.
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I agree with aluz.

I personally would wait the 12 hours as the technician at your Avian Vet has recommended and make a decision at that point in time.
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Ok guys. Thanks for your opinions here. I'll monitor and make a decision tomorrow.

Keep you posted.

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Well, things are not looking great for Ophelia. Her urates are still yellow and looking at her this morning I can tell she has lost a lot of weight. It's just very heartbreaking.

But, I have spoken with Petco, and they will be taking my bird to the same Avian vet I take the rest of my small flock too (the best in our area which is lucky) which made me feel at ease. They have also promised to order a necropsy if in the event she does die so that I can be aware of whether it was viral etc. The newest bird was kept in quarantine in our bedroom, my boys go on the stairwell at night outside that room to sleep but are downstairs during the day and our other bird is in my daughters room across the hall from my bedroom. I have never mixed food bowls, and washed hands between touching anything from the new bird's cage, changed clothes etc if they came in contact with that bird, before touching the rest of the flock. I'm hoping that that was enough of a good separation in our very small city home to keep whatever it has far enough away.

She was just examined last Thursday to which she had no parasites, bacteria at that time and was very healthy. So at least at that checkup she was good. So I'm leaning towards viral or possibly just stress induced and something shut down in her body. But we shall find out. Based on her results, we will evaluate whether or not to use her for breeding at all.

The thing that makes me very sad (mad?) is the state of these Petco birds. Our Tiki was also a Petco bird when we got him 2 years ago. He quickly became sick and needing parisites eradicated. Bought 2 other birds from our local guy who gets them from local small breeders- both her were healthy. Get our latest bird from Petco on a whim and it's another sick bird. Lesson learned, but I feel so sad at the conditions these birds must be kept in and just the lack of love they receive.

Anyway, thanks for your support guys. Hopefully she will be ok but I am not counting on it really. I think she isn't in good shape. While not fluffed up, she just looks hunched over and lacking energy.
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I'm very sorry to hear that...

As for any future breeding plans you might have, now is not the right time to even contemplate that or whether you will be using Ophelia or not.
What's most important now is doing your very best in saving her.

As a general rule and in order to prevent the chances of tragedy from setting, it's best to get budgies from a good and reliable source.
From someone who actually puts the health and welfare of the breeding pairs and chicks in first place.
Getting potential breeder budgies from a big chain store that likely resorts to bird mills where they are mass produced in extremely poor conditions and where inbreeding can also be present is never a good idea and shouldn't even be thought of.

It's a disaster waiting to happen, any chicks that may hatch would inherit the parents weakened immune system, would also be prone to getting ill more often, their life expectancy as a result would be much lower etc.
The chances for one of the parents to not be able to carry on with the breeding journey is higher too, we have witnessed here a good amount of cases where one of the mates had an untimely passing while raising the chicks or even when the mate was still in the early stages of the journey of incubating the eggs.

I truly hope that Ophelia has a good recovery and you get to enjoy her as an non-breeding pet.
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That's exactly what I feel too. My husband and I were just discussing this. If we do get to keep her we will not be using her for breeding. We will just enjoy her a pet. I just don't want to risk it.

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That's good to know and you're very welcome.
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