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Old 12-13-2017, 04:24 AM
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Hello fellow bird lover,

I have a female budgie who is around one years old. She was born in my house and is a darling.

I handle her regularly and I've found something disturbing on her bottom just above her vent. There is a lump there. I have had a case of egg binding with another female who I saved so I know for sure this new case is not an eg of egg binding.

The lump has no colour. The vent is okay and has no sign of discoloration or rashes. Her routine has changed. She keeps bowing down and looking at her lump. Today morning she got restless and was flying from branch to branch. She is also not moving with the flock when they go down to the plate for group meal. While on the branch perched, she sometimes lifts her vent as if she is about to take a dive. She has begun to close her eyes.

About the lump:
No colour
Not solid
The consistency of the lump keeps changing. It is squishy and sometimes it feels like oat meal. I feel that it may be hernia and these are her intestines.

The vet is just 5 minutes from my house but he usually treats dogs and farm animals(chicken, cow, goats etc). I feel like he'll experiment with her surgically which I don't want. If she dies, I want to make sure it is as less painful as possible.

I would like to know your suggestion. How do I proceed?

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Do you have any other vets with more experience with birds further away? They will be more helpful than forum members.
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Unfortunately, no. Veterinarians here only specialise in farm animals. Most people here don't keep birds as pets. Those few who do won't take them to vets because as I said, without experience, it'll be the same thing as undergoing an experiment.

In the meantime, I've removed seeds altogether from my mini aviary. I'm currently giving soaked sprouts, carrots and any vegetable leaves I can find in the market.
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The wetness near her vent is after I applied a paste of turmeric powder mixed with garlic juice.

Ill behaviour: Closing eyes and trying to rest
Looking at me after she noticed the camera
With her brother (both are from the same clutch)
Keeps looking at her lump - A sign that it is painfull
Another photo of her looking at her lump
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Another behaviour caused by the lump - She lifts her vent while head is bowed down. As if she will dive down but she doesnt
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Please remove the budgie from the cage with the other birds.
Put her into an individual cage and ensure she is kept in an area warm enough that she doesn't get chilled.

I would not apply any substance to the lump unless it has specifically been recommended to do so by an Avian Vet.

You have many birds in that cage, and I'm wondering if she may actually be egg bound even though
you say she isn't.

I can't see the area well enough in the pictures you posted.
Can you please hold her gently and photograph the area?
Clear and in-focus pictures of the area would be helpful so we can offer the best advice.

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Yes, she has been removed into a seperate cage as the boys were harassing her and wouldn't let her rest

She gets into this brief periods of being active and inactive throughout the day.

The lump seems to be changing its size. In the morning it is the biggest, and after she has been active, it reduces in size just a little bit

No, I can confirm she is not egg bound. I had extracted an egg out of a different egg bound hen so I have that rare experience. That hen would drop like a stone from the perch(to try to run away) if I went near her which led to inspect her and found the solid egg shaped lump above the vent

Back to topic, i also posted this query to a YouTube vet who opinionated that symptoms were suggestive of hernia.

I'm not sure if I should ice her lump or give her a hot bath. It's usually 32 celcius where I live with 90% humidity which feels like 40+ degrees. Sweating is common. Since the last 2 weeks, temp has dropped to 25 degrees(winter is here) with 60-70 humidity but it feels like 18 degrees celcius as if our AC was on. All the birds are feeling the cold.

My cage is 3ft x 4ft on ground and 6ft high. There are total 18 budgies.

Sorry I tried to take pictures of her lump. Took many but the feathers always came in the way. Couldn't continue as she got very scared.

It literally feels like her insides have dropped down and touching her bottom skin.

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Old 12-14-2017, 10:04 AM
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I truly believe you are making a mistake in trying to treat your budgie without consulting with a professional.

From what you are saying, it sounds as though she has a prolapse.

Cloacal Prolapse

While it is very challenging for people who live in countries with no Avian Vets, there are steps you can take to help ensure your budgies' health.

With the right motivation, you can work with a regular or veterinarian to get the proper care for your budgie(s).

You will want to do as much research as you can and learn as much about budgies and the best practices for their care so you can provide your little ones with the best possible life.

We have a member in India who has done this and has developed a great relationship with a regular vet.
With the member's research and the vet's collaboration, they have found ways of providing care for her budgie that she would have not been able to manage otherwise.

When you develop a good relationship with a regular veterinarian, that individual can collaborate via telephone or Skype with Avian Veterinarians in other countries if necessary to get assistance in appropriate diagnosing and prescribing treatment.

I would suggest you contacted this vet:
Dr Rina Dev's Animal & Bird Clinic
143, Waterfield Road, Bandra West
Mumbai, Maharashtra 400050, India
+91 99677 72829
There are other veterinarians in the area as well according to my Google Search, but I believe the one above would be your best option.

Avian Vets near Mumbai India
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Hi there,

FaeryBee has provided you with contact information for avian vets in your country. We understand there aren’t many around. Still, even seeing if a regular vet would be willing to consult with an avian vet is better than asking on a forum.

We really care about your birds which is why we are urging you to contact a professional. We are a group of pet owners and lovers here, not animal medical professionals.

All the best to you and your budgie. Will you please keep us posted with an update?
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I agree with the comments above. Despite the fact that we want to try and help our birds, many things cannot be done without the care of a professional. Please, please do not delay in finding an avian vet who can treat her. This is not something you can cure at home even if you had the skills to do so, she needs to see a vet.

You've been provided with good resources to help your girl despite the difficulty in finding avian vets in India. Please keep us posted on how she's doing soon!
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