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FurryBadgers 10-24-2018 04:51 AM

Poop check!
 
Hello everyone,

I’ve you’ve seen my other post, one of my birds is currently undergoing treatment for suspected fstty liver issues.

I just wondered: do you all think his poop corroborates that?

https://i.imgur.com/UWkfGdF.jpg

Sometimes he’s fine and sometimes it quite watery . I wonder if there’s some type of food that is aggravating his condition

Cody 10-24-2018 11:26 AM

How was the fatty liver diagnosed, or is it just a guess based on the droppings?
Is your bird overweight, what does the diet consist of? The urate portion of the picture you posted still looks white, does it look that way in person? Sometimes in a bird with a liver issue you will begin to see that turn more yellow to green tinged as the issue progresses. To me the fecal portion of the dropping you posted does not look right, it looks to me like whatever the bird is eating is not being fully digested and it seems to me to be too loose. Did the vet do any tests on the droppings?

FurryBadgers 10-24-2018 11:58 AM

They did a blood test. They couldn't take a lot (only a small bird), but the blood test did point to a potential liver issue.

They didn't do any fecal tests AFAIK.

He's not overweight - he was a bit underweight when they checked him :)

Diet is a premium seed mix stuff with vegetables and this liver supplement. Definitely agree on the too loose.

FurryBadgers 10-24-2018 12:19 PM

As a precaution I've sent this pic to my vet to ask for a second opinion :)

FurryBadgers 10-24-2018 03:02 PM

Vet said that the poop itself doesnít look too bad, but there is too much urine. Worth a follow up visit. I was going to after next week but Iím wondering if should do it tomorrow?

Cody 10-24-2018 03:30 PM

I would not wait, I would take him back to the vet asap and I would also ask them to run a test on the droppings to see if there is anything there that should not be. Under the microscope you can see what you cannot see with the naked eye and if they do a gram stain that will show the amount of gram negative and gram positive bacteria. It's normal to have a small amount of gram positive but the gram negative is what you don't want and if there is a good % of that it needs to be treated with an antibiotic. Are you seeing an avian vet?

FurryBadgers 10-24-2018 05:41 PM

We did last week when he was diagnosed. He even spent an evening in there in their hospital :)

FurryBadgers 10-25-2018 06:37 AM

Just to let you know, I've booked another vet appointment for this afternoon. Something else I noticed was that:

a) He's cleaning his vent area quite a lot (but it doesnt look dirty)
b) The actual scattering of poops is overnight, and isn't in the same spot which means that he's not sleeping properly.

Cody 10-25-2018 09:34 AM

That's good, ask them to do a gram stain test on the droppings, then they will be able to tell if there is any bacteria or other problems in the GI tract. I would also take in the papers at the cage bottom so the vet can see how scattered they are. Were the droppings loose before the medication was started, maybe something in the meds is making them too loose. Hope they can pinpoint the problem.

FurryBadgers 10-25-2018 11:59 AM

Thanks.

Yeah they were super watery beforehand - it's actually why I initially booked him in. He's looked tired before but that's because he was starting a molt. This time it was definitely different.


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