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Old 01-08-2019, 12:32 PM
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Hi all,

Sorry I frequently post only when things are going badly . Anyway, my older boy Petrie seems ill. His behavior has gone from his usual grumpy-old-man-pecky attitude to "oh yes, I would like some cuddles" in 24 hours. Besides for the obvious physical symptoms of being ill, the attitude change really freaks me out.

Other than that I've noticed that he:
- isn't eating as much as he normally does
-has had trouble pooping (and had a dirty butt this morning that I did my best to clean up. There was a chain of clogged poo, but the color of the poo was normal.)
-keeps picking at his butt and at his preen glad
-is napping a lot
- and seems a little off balance and also feels lightweight (I haven't gotten him on a scale yet)

He's still playing a bit and chirping, and being SO amorous to everything (his usual MO). But I'm definitely taking him to the vet later because he's pretty old and I worry about him.

The trouble is, I'm not a huge fan of my current vet, but it is an avian vet office and really the best the city I'm in now can offer (I'm spoiled because my old avian vet in the last city I was in had 50 years of experience and was just the best. Saved one my babies lives and gave us an extra 3 years together).

My experience with this new vet is that they don't always thoroughly check things unless I ask them to do so. So my plea for help is: does anyone have any suggestions of what to bring up with the vet (given the listed symptoms above)? My appointment is in a few hours.

Thanks in advance,

Alba

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Old 01-08-2019, 01:08 PM
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I’m sorry to hear that your Petrie is ill . It’s good you’re taking him in today.

An ‘avian’ vet most likely will know which tests seem necessary or not, after you describe the symptoms you’ve been observing. It might help the vet by telling them any environmental factors that might have been different lately, near any other birds, ate anything out of the ordinary, could have gotten into anything, etc. or really anything you can think of off hand that might impact his health.

I would say that “telling” the vet as much information as you can, will benefit Petrie more than you “asking”. Of course then, ask whatever you wish as questions come to mind.

A good idea to bring a fresh poop sample from this morning or from overnight. Since he hasn’t been eating much, he might not have enough to give on the spot.

Good luck for Petrie, and please keep us posted
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I would expect a complete physical exam to see if there are any lumps or bumps where there shouldn't be, a test of the birds reflexes, a look at the eyes, ears throat and vent area. A test on the droppings to see if there is anything there that shouldn't be, maybe a crop swab depending on what the vet sees in the mouth/throat and they should get a weight. Depending on what the vet sees on the initial exam , maybe some bloodwork, but that may not be necessary yet.
Hope he feels better soon and the vet can determine if there are any problems to be treated. You might want to talk to the vet about possible nutritional issues that may be applicable as well.
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Take a look at this link which gives information about what an Avian exam should include:

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Good luck - please let us know what the vet has to say about Petrie's condition.
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Thanks all, heading out soon. He's doing a bit better, munching slowly on millet and a few pellets.

Just want to point out something funny: That the vet I used to have that I mentioned spoiled me in terms of amazing avian care WAS Dr. Sakas ... the author of the article FaeryBee posted! I lived in Chicago and would drive all the way to Niles IL to see him.

Hahaha, now you understand why all avian vets since have seemed less impressive by comparison, apparently my old vet literally wrote the book on avian care.
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Dr. Sakas is my vet, absolutely unsurpassed in avian care, I don't know what I would do without him and his entire staff. Have you moved away from the area?
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Ask all the questions related to the health of your bird that you wish to. If need be, write a list of what to ask. Listen well to what the vet tells you. Also, if any other questions you want to ask him, do it. You will feel bad later if you do not. Do the best on the visit that you can.
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Thanks all.

Cody: I moved from IL to GA... so very far from the area! But I agree, Dr. Sakas is the absolute best.


The vet appointment went okay. She didn't feel or see any swelling, Petrie is pretty underweight... 4 grams lighter than the last time (he's 35 grams but he's like a 1/4 English budgie so he should be closer to 40). His poop stain didn't show any gram negative bacteria (and usually the bad stuff is negative), but it did show a lot of undigested material so clearly he's got some GI issues going on.

They put him on standard antibiotics and L-glutamine (to reduce any internal inflammation) for now. I coughed up the big bucks for a culture of his poo, so in a few days I should know more about if it is bacterial, yeast (though she ruled this out because she didn't see the typical signs of this), etc.

I'm just hoping it is nothing more serious, like PDD or tumors. Bless his lil heart, he's always been such a healthy boy... he just turned 10 and has really never had a serious health issue (unless you count having terrible molts).

I just wanted to thank this community once again for the helpful advice. It is really nice to be able to hear from fellow budgie parents who understand how much our feathered babies mean to us.
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Cody: I moved from IL to GA... so very far from the area! But I agree, Dr. Sakas is the absolute best.


The vet appointment went okay. She didn't feel or see any swelling, Petrie is pretty underweight... 4 grams lighter than the last time (he's 35 grams but he's like a 1/4 English budgie so he should be closer to 40). His poop stain didn't show any gram negative bacteria (and usually the bad stuff is negative), but it did show a lot of undigested material so clearly he's got some GI issues going on.

They put him on standard antibiotics and L-glutamine (to reduce any internal inflammation) for now. I coughed up the big bucks for a culture of his poo, so in a few days I should know more about if it is bacterial, yeast (though she ruled this out because she didn't see the typical signs of this), etc.

I'm just hoping it is nothing more serious, like PDD or tumors. Bless his lil heart, he's always been such a healthy boy... he just turned 10 and has really never had a serious health issue (unless you count having terrible molts).

I just wanted to thank this community once again for the helpful advice. It is really nice to be able to hear from fellow budgie parents who understand how much our feathered babies mean to us.
10 years old is great, I hope nothing serious is going on with him. I would be happy to ask Dr. Sakas if he could recommend a vet in your area if you would like, just let me know the city, I know he knows avian vets all over the country.
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Thanks Cody, I would gladly take any recommendations Dr. Sakas has. I'm in Atlanta.

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