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Old 12-28-2019, 08:58 PM
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Very common for a sick bird to look fine when at the vet, don't be fooled by it. The vet may have thought that the meds were producing side effects and if the meds are stopped and the odd behavior stops than it can be assumed that the meds had something to do with it.
Sometimes a side effect of metoclopramide can be hyperactivity but Buddy was not taking that when the hyperactivity started. The shaking of the tail may be due to the condition of the droppings, is it a shaking as if he is trying to get something lose?

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Well the avian vet did say Buddy was quite thin like he can’t keep the weight on. It was the ER vet who stopped the meds, thinking they were causing the vomiting. I’m not sure I believe it, because he has been on them for a week, why would that just now happen? I hope stopping the antibiotics half way won’t be harmful.

I only saw the vomiting that morning, I haven’t seen it since, however there is definitely still undigested seed in his droppings (the ER vet didn’t believe me). I’m quite worried that the antibiotics caused a secondary yeast infection. I mentioned that at the ER but they wouldn’t test for it. The ER vet recommended taking him back to the avian vet for diagnostic tests such as crop wash for trichomonas, barium contrast to check for foreign bodies and proventriculutis, and pharyngeal swabs looking for spirochetes. All I wanted was for someone to examine his droppings...He’s a fragile and easily scared little guy and I don’t want them to do anything too aggressive.
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The fact that Buddy is too thin and cannot keep weight on, the vomiting and the droppings with the seed in them are all things that are seen with AGY. In my opinion the suggestion of those tests is ok but only after the most basic test on the droppings has been done. I think you are going to have to insist that a Gram stain test be done on the droppings, that will reveal the bacteria population and the percentage of gram positive to gram negative type of bacteria, it is the gram negative % that is pathogenic. When looking at the slide under the microscope if there are any abnormalities it will be noted. To see the organism that is associated with AGY (Avian Gastric Yeast) it has to be actively shed, sometimes it is not but based on other symptoms an experienced avian vet will be able to ascertain whether or not AGY is suspect. If the test on the droppings does not reveal anything then I would expect the next test to be a crop/throat swab, and if that does not reveal anything, then it would be appropriate to move on to the other tests suggested. A barium x-ray can be very revealing but with my own birds I would not progress to that until the basic tests had been done, unless upon physical examination the vet could feel something wrong and needed the x-ray at that point to further diagnosis. Put white paper towels at the bottom of the cage for 24 hours and take that to the vet so he/she can see 24 hours worth of droppings, a fresh one is needed for testing but seeing what passes in a 24 hour period can be helpful.
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Have you continued the medicines from last week or discontinued them as the ER doctor suggested? (All considered, I would continue them, but others here are more experienced.)

You might consider moving Buddy to a smaller cage and/or remove some of what is in the cage so that it is easier to catch him. I have had to do this many times with untamed birds (I foster for a rescue) and it helps make everything less stressful. It helps to even just remove things from the lower part of the cage. It also helps to darken the room if possible. (I sometimes cover a small cage and take it into a closet or interior bathroom and keep the light dim.) I use a lightweight piece of cotton fabric to catch them rather than a towel so that they don't catch their toes in the fabric.

Also, I think you were correct to decline a blood test and X-ray at the ER vet. The closest I've come to that situation was at my regular vet office on a weekend. The was only one vet and she was not an avian vet, though she had some experience with birds and other exotics. When she mentioned the possibility of doing a blood test, I (politely, really) asked her if she was sure she could draw the blood without killing my bird. She ended up not doing it. Also, for an X-ray to be useful, I'm pretty sure they need to sedate the bird, which is also potentially dangerous. None of the avian vets I have used draw blood on a budgie without a very good reason; they have never suggested it with any of my budgies, even when they were ill. Cockatiels are enough larger that it's a different matter.
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I discontinued the medicine as the ER vet told me. I think I will discontinue the metoclopramide now as well, as he has not vomited since that one morning. Maybe, hopefully, it was just a one time thing with him eating so much that it got a little impacted or something?

His poop is looking pretty normal again. I don’t see undigested seeds. The only odd thing right now is his wings are trembling, like he is scared. He is not fluffed up. He is eating and drinking normally. He comes to me for millet spray. He is still not singing, but he does do the little chirrup contact calls, especially when I leave the room.

I think it will do him some good not to be handled for a while. I will keep an eye on him and make another avian vet visit if needed, maybe even a checkup (I really wish I could weigh him myself). I will ask the vet if it’s possible that I could bring in some droppings for testing without having to subject Buddy to another long car ride and vet visit.

Also, just a tip for the folks on this forum. The vet was amazing at catching him. He kept a computer monitor on in the room so he could see, and then switched the room lights off. He was able to grab him quickly and without any flight because he said it takes longer for a bird’s eyes to adjust. I have not been able to replicate this myself as I don’t think I got the room dark enough, but maybe someone will find this useful.

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