Yes I know that is kind of yeast. Actually last couple of days I realise that when they feeding each other on my finger their regurgitated seeds smell like sour yeast. Our ex vet told us it could be sign of megabacteria. I give them one day of week 5 drops of ACV with their water. But it seems it's not enough for them. I dont know what is caused that fungal illness. Maybe earthquake stress makes their immune system weaker. Im not sure.
By the way this vet told us new studies show that nystatin is less harmfull for their kidney but effective for fungal organism. She believes ampho is little bit posinous than nystatin. I read some articals that nystatin can work too but Im not sure.
I don't know what to do. But I dont want to be late. Because I know this fungus is stubborn so I think I'm going to use it for 5 days than if it's still exist on their droppings I will ask ampho from vet. But in this time can yeast develop resistants to drugs. Is it good idea to use it?
The Ampho B is a pretty harsh med as I understand it, follow your vet's advice and follow up with additional tests on the droppings. Since you noticed that regurgitated seeds smell sour, I would ask the vet about a condition called sour crop, if there is a yeast infection in the crop the Nystatin will treat that, if it is a bacterial infection then an antibiotic is required. In any case the regurgitated seed should not smell sour, that is an indication that something is not right.
I give medicine twice. So far he is not good. Until medicine he was much better but today he puffed up and looks so silent.. after giving medicine he breaths with sounds. And today it is strange that his feets looks so pale so light pink and feels cold. I really dont know what happend. He was better before nystatin. I saw so many feathers around cage this morning also. But he usually not feel bad when molting seasons. he always come to me when I called him but this morning he does not want to come to me just stays his top of cage... this is not him
By the way they usually eat harrisons high potency super fine and zupreem fruit blend and seed mix twice a day( I give seed mix twice a day not always on cage)
But today I changed zupreem food bowl with harrisons because zupreem contains sugar and sugar is not good for yeast I think. but is that a good idea I'm not sure. because they love zupreem also.
Just an hour ago I cleaned all corner of cage every toy with soap and water. I know AGY can contain every thing.
But his todays' mood concern me a lot .I called vet but she does not turn me yet. I dont know what to do....
Last edited by Dudusthebudgie; 12-19-2020 at 08:52 AM.
Make sure he is comfortable and warm and that he is eating and drinking and wait to hear from the vet. Call back before the vet closes for the day if you have not already heard back from her.
Vet called me and said this is normal on moods changes. Ups and downs are normal on megabacteria according to her.but actually Im not sure. She also said to me continue nystatin and on monday morning she wants to test his droppings again to see if there is additional problem and thursday morning end of 5th day we will test his droppings again for if nystatin is working. By the way in the afternoon he looks better. Play little bit and fly around. So in this time like you said I will keep them warm and make sure they are eating and drinking. We will see progress..
Glad he is looking better. I had a bird several years ago that had AGY and he had a lot of ups and downs. He was on Ampho B and also on Metacam which can help with inflammation.
They look better today much chirping and playing a lot but still not completely their usual themself.
But there is the thing, they dont eat harrisons much these days,and their appetite is increased so much.. So I have to put much seeds than normal. But I m not comfortable with that totaly.. because seed is corbohydrate. So if the much seeds makes them worse? But if I dont give it they will lose weight and it is the worst thing in this stuation. I try to give them fresh varıous veggies but they dont eat except spinach.Should I use 3 days of week ACV and 4 days guardian angel for vitamins and probiyotics. Is that a good idea? Is there any side effects that use guardian angel long term?
Second question is when they were 1 year old, Our ex vet treat their AGY with sodium benzoate and ampho b. I want to use sodium benzoate again but with nystatin is it cause any problem? Can I find sodium benzoate in any where or must it be special formula?
I read so many titles here and so many articles from vets. Most of them saying ampho is better.I know AGY can treatble with good care and right meds I saw it personaly before with my boys.moreover they were worse off then, undigested foods vomitin losing weight etc, (this time just silent and puffed little and cold feet).but this time Im not totaly comfortable are we doing the wrong treatment with this vet? I'm little bit concern actually... our ex vet is living in another city now and 7 hours driving from here She is the best avian vet in our country. I will call her too but I can not bring my boys to her all the time..so it makes me more panic mod.
Last edited by Dudusthebudgie; 12-20-2020 at 10:43 AM.
They look better today much chirping and playing a lot but still not completely their usual themself.
But there is the thing, they dont eat harrisons much these days,and their appetite is increased so much.. So I have to put much seeds than normal. But I m not comfortable with that totaly.. because seed is corbohydrate. So if the much seeds makes them worse? But if I dont give it they will lose weight and it is the worst thing in this stuation. I try to give them fresh varıous veggies but they dont eat except spinach.Should I use 3 days of week ACV and 4 days guardian angel for vitamins and probiyotics. Is that a good idea? Is there any side effects that use guardian angel long term?
Second question is when they were 1 year old, Our ex vet treat their AGY with sodium benzoate and ampho b. I want to use sodium benzoate again but with nystatin is it cause any problem? Can I find sodium benzoate in any where or must it be special formula?
I read so many titles here and so many articles from vets. Most of them saying ampho is better.I know AGY can treatble with good care and right meds I saw it personaly before with my boys.moreover they were worse off then, undigested foods vomitin losing weight etc, (this time just silent and puffed little and cold feet).but this time Im not totaly comfortable are we doing the wrong treatment with this vet? I'm little bit concern actually... our ex vet is living in another city now and 7 hours driving from here She is the best avian vet in our country. I will call her too but I can not bring my boys to her all the time..so it makes me more panic mod.
I think it would be best for you to speak to your former vet and ask these questions of her, she can guide you and put your mind at ease as to the best course of treatment and you may want to ask about her consulting with your current vet.
I just coming from our vet I added the todays droppings result pictures.
According to her count of AGY is decreased. but gram negative bac. increased. So she gave us bytril for 3 days long twice a day.
Additionally I send this pictures to our ex vet to ask her if we doing the right treatment about nystatin. She said that she can not see any megabacteria in second results pic but this pics' can mislead so she can not be sure about mega or any desease. She said she must do pysical exam and does test.
But she said that even if there are mega bacteria nystatin is not for budgies AGY problem and not effective treatment for that, and also said sodium benzoat is a good idea. So she will send me some to add their water.
But if there is not mega bacteria. what is wrong with my boy I'm really confused. and there is no another avian vet around here...
I will use nystatin for 2 more days and bytril as well. that test will be done again their dropings. after that I will use guardian angel and ACV for long term and look his conditions. Hope they will be ok... But I'm not really comfortable at all.. So far they are look better chirping and eating but mood changes still exist..
The Megabacteria organism does not always show up in the droppings so it can be misleading to judge just from the smear of the droppings, it is common for a bacterial infection to occur along with it and is important to treat for it. I have used Baytril many times but always for longer than just 3 days, what is the strength of the Baytril you have? I have used 50mg per ml twice a day for 2 weeks.
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