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Egg Bound Quail!

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#1 · (Edited)
I know that she isn't a budgie, but I really need your help!
I'm pretty sure my female King quail is egg bound :1zhelp::crying:
When I went in The aviary a little while ago, I saw her trying to lay an egg.
Then, when I went back in there later, she was running around with her mate, like she normally does. I noticed that the there were the same amount of eggs as there were the day before, meaning that she hadn't layed the egg.
So I carefully picked her up, and examined her vent.
I can clearly see the egg inside her.
I gave her more than 30minutes to lay the egg, but she still hadn't done it in that time.
I've brought her inside, in a box with a hot water bottle.
I would take her to the avian vet, but for some Unknown (and dumb-no offence) reason, they are closed on the weekends! They are available for call consultations and emails, and I have emailed them, but they haven't gotten back yet, and I'm not sure how much that will do:(
And after reading this Egg bound death -- The Button Quail Bulletin Board
I don't really trust the other vets that aren't Specialised in birds.
I got her to drink water, and eat some boiled egg.
I hand fed her my emergency medicine, but I really don't know what else to do.
It doesn't even seem like she is trying to lay the egg anymore.
Someone please help!

Just wanted to add though, I feed my quails fruits and vegetables daily, boiled egg every third day, and they have constant access to shell grit.
 
#2 ·
Hello Lain, do the avian vet have an emergency number you can call? Place the box with her in in a bathroom and make some steam by leaving the hot water tap on humidity sometimes help can you gently massage some olive oil or similar around her vent? I am really only guessing at this stage.
Can you ring an Avian vet and speak to them, ask them for some advice? if all else fails there are online Avian vets you can have a consult with. But a hands on exam is what is needed for your bird. I hope you get some help for her. Sending my best wishes for her safety. Please let us know what happens.:Love birds:
 
#3 ·
Thank you so much for your advise, we have now massaged olive oil on her with a cotton tip.
She is once again pushing at the egg.
They do have an emergency number, but for some reason, when we called it, it said something about it being after hours and unopperated.
It really does suck (sorry) that no vets are open Sunday! :S
I have also messages the online avian vets, butttt they haven't replied yet. :pout:
Anyway,
We have put the shower on, and are just about to move her into there.
I also replaced the hot water bottle with a heat lamp.
I have my fingers crossed, but I know that she really needs some attention from a proper avian vet.:pray:
 
#4 ·
I'm very sorry for your current predicament and sadly in these cases, the medical assistance from an avian vet specialist is really needed.
Isn't there a 24 hours emergency vet clinic or hospital with an avian vet available?
This is a very delicate situation and procedure and until you find help, you do well in placing your quail on a steamy room, the extra humidity can be of benefit to her.
Unfortunately, even if you get a response from the online avian vets, they won't be able to physically perform the procedure.
I'm sending my prayers and best wishes for your quail's full recovery and hope you will find a qualified avian vet very soon.. :pray:
 
#5 ·
Thank you so much everyone.
She is still pulling through.
Unfortunately, the 24hr vets here are not qualified avian vets.
It really makes things difficult!:hurt:
The three avian vets closest to me are all closed on Sundays.
Again, thank you for your help.
 
#6 ·
If you have liquid calcium give it directly into her beak. Keep her warm in a humid environment so the steamy shower room is perfect.

You can also bathe her vent in warm water just make sure to keep her warm afterwards.

If she is still running around and not lethergic i wouldnt be too concerned just yet. Generally once egg bound they become lethergic from trying and failing to push the egg out.
 
#7 ·
I'll have to agree with CaptainHowdy. I've never had an egg bound quail, but from your description I'm not even sure she was egg bound in the first place. In my experience (I've had button quail for a bit more than a year), it's completely normal for them to stop in the process of laying an egg and go back to it later. I think you might have stressed her into not laying the egg by taking her in. Everything I read about egg bound birds, says they are clearly straining, panting, sometimes with the beak open - definitely not 'running around as usual'.
If she is still not showing any of the above mentioned symptoms, I actually think you should put her back with her mate and keep a close eye on her.
 
#8 · (Edited)
Thank you very much for your input. :blush:
So, that's what I thought at first, which is why I left her in there for a while after, but she still hadn't layed the egg, so I grew concerned. I have put her mate in the box with her in the hopes that it may comfort her.
Here is a picture that I just took right now.

She is still walking around like normal, as I said, but she occasionally stops, sits in place for several minutes and begins puffing and fluffing her feathers up.:dunno::confused1:
How long can she hold the egg in for?
The first time I went into feed them this morning was around 8:00am, and it's now 8:09pm.
 
#9 ·
Lain,

I hope she's doing a bit better--egg bound or not, it's still good to keep an eye on her and I would still give her liquid calcium if you have any.

You're doing everything so far to help her as best you can if the egg really is stuck. Keeping her mate with her might make her feel better, so that's good. m

I have no other relevant advice, but stay calm and positive ;)

Keep us posted on how she's doing! :fingerx:
 
#11 ·
Hi everyone,
I just went and checked on her,
And she is still acting normally, however the egg hasn't come out yet.
If she was egg bound, would she survive this long?
 
#13 · (Edited)
Thank you Shane :wink1:
I'm still giving her the probiotics and calcium supplements in the hopes that she will pass the egg.
She also eating veges, boiled egg and seeds, the heat light is constantly on, I keep dipping her in warm water, applying olive oil, hand feeding her warm water, and her quail friend is in with her.
She hasn't been trying to actually lay the egg though:wacko::scared:
 
#14 ·
Quail are a very beautiful and fascinating bird to raise.I always wanted to raise quail,but never got the.chance before.I was around chickens half my life and they weren't my favorite to raise.budgie and cockatiels,finches,and canary were my favorite.hads lots of them lol.

Blessings we're here for you.:)
 
#15 ·
My Lara was eggbound for almost 24 hours before we could get her to the vet. She had to have a couple of millimetres on both sides of her vent cut before they could get the egg out of her. Luckily, she lived and has completely recovered.

If you can't get her to an avian vet, you could always try a reptile vet. Reptiles can also become eggbound, so they might be able to help her. I mean, an egg's an egg. Reptile eggs are a bit different than bird eggs, but I'm sure the technique for working the egg out is relatively the same.

Oh, and have you felt her vent to confirm that it is indeed an egg, and not something else?
 
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#18 ·
Sorry Cathy, we must have sent the messages at the same time!
I didn't realise until now:001_rolleyes:
So, I have just taken her to our closest bird vet, and they have said that it is almost definately an egg, however, there is a small chance that it may be an infection, or cancer, which is common in older quails.
When we got our quails from the breeder, he gave very vague answers to our questions, so we don't even know her approximate age.:001_huh:
Anyway, so I took her to the vet, and they said that they can take her in for the night, to keep an eye on her, and give her some assistance, until they find out exactly what is wrong with her.
The sad thing is that, in order for them to do this, it would cost me $325 simply for them to pay attention to how she reacts, and give her some support.
It killed me to say that I couldn't afford that, on top of the $150 appointment, which was only given as a consultation.
In either case, the treatment of egg binding would cost me an additional $300-$500, and treatments for all the other possible issues would be around the same.
I feel so bad, and although I was expecting it to be costly, unfortunately, there is no way I can afford that for the poor little darl. :crying:
Instead, I chose to bring her back home with me, and I managed to fork out some money for a more concise (is that the word?) vitamin D and calcium supplement, pain killers, and also something to boost her energy.
P.O (that's her name, after C3 PO from Star Wars- the other female's name is C3) has since become weaker, and is acting more like an egg bound bird.
I actually had a bit of a closer look at her vent, and I was able to see the egg, and also that it seems to be obstructed by a strip of flesh of some sort. :sad:
 
#20 ·
Oh my, she does appear to be straining...:( Did the vet say if the egg was correctly positioned or not?
I'm also sorry you can't afford the vet fees, maybe you could work out some kind of payment plan where you would do so in instalments?

Do you know of any experienced breeders of quail and poultry who might be able to assist you?

I'm praying for the very best outcome for your quail and hope she makes it. :pray:
 
#22 · (Edited by Moderator)
The vets said that if it was in fact an egg, it is far larger than the size of a normal egg.
I questioned her about a payment plan, but because they wouldn't do the treatment straight away, and they are a smaller bird vet, it would be 'extremely difficult to work out the exact cost'.
They said that I could pay it all tomorrow of the day after latest, but sadly, it doesn't make much of a difference.

Thank you, so, so much everyone, for your support.
 
#23 ·
Okay, those prices definitely seem a little high. I only had to pay $83 for Lara's surgery and painkillers and antibiotics. Okay, so Dr. Morris is actually a really lovely man who gives huge price reductions...

Anyways, have you tried the Backyard Chickens forum? At this point, it sounds like it's up to you to get this egg out of her, and I can't think of a better place to get DIY egg binding treatment advice. Ideally, you'd leave this to an avian vet, but you'd probably have to sell one of your kidneys to cover the costs.
 
#27 ·
Okay, those prices definitely seem a little high. I only had to pay $83 for Lara's surgery and painkillers and antibiotics. Okay, so Dr. Morris is actually a really lovely man who gives huge price reductions...
You are so lucky. If only the price for the procedure was that much.

So I am attempting to register for BYC, however whenever I tap 'create an account' it reloads and says captcha not valid?
Can anyone help?
I am really getting concerned for my little girl.
 
#24 ·
:( I'm greatly sadden by the way they treated you at the vet.they could atleast done that for you and help that poor sweet quail.my apologies I'm just so heartbroken over this.all I can do is just keep praying for her to get help.I know you're desperate and I would be too.god bless you and your quail.I'm still remaining hopeful on this.we're here for you.
 
#25 ·
I do agree with you shane.
Of course, vets must be paid for their work and we only know what we have been told and nothing of the situation from the vets point of view. But for them to be not be prepared to help in these circumstances nor agree to a properly deferred payment arrangement, appears to be hard hearted.
 
#26 ·
With the updated picture, I agree that you seem to have a problem now. Teddscau has a point with the BYC forum. I'm a member there myself and have been almost since I got my buttons. You can find the quail section here:
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You can also try to use the search function for threads about egg binding in quail, I'm sure I've read some pretty good descriptions of what you can do without a vet.
 
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